Totally Under Control

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That a tittle of a PRIME documentary about the start of the Panedemic in the US. I put this here because really it was about the political response to the Covid-19 virus.

The documentary was a comparison between South Korea reaction and the US reaction to the Corona Virus. This is back in Jan 2020.
The reality of the response was Scientific (South Korea) vs Religion/non Scientific/Political/Economic (US )

I found the documentary to be very factual.

If you know you could prevent the death of someone and you have the power to act, yet don't; are you guilty of murder due to your inactions?

The thing is the Trump Administration had a organization that had a handbook on how to respone to an panedemic(science based), yet threw it out because of political issues with the US democrats.

The biggest fail was the testing for covid virus in the first days, which vastly contributed to the spread of the virus in Jan/Feb 2020.

Can Canadians learn lession from this documentary. I think yes.

1. Collective (Fed and Prov) panedemic plan. Shut down and isolation of parts of country. Institute "Wear Mask Policy" no exceptions (religious or otherwise). Every Canadian should be made aware of these plans (education of and why);
2. Stockpile of ventilators, and PPE (N-95 masks, clothing, ventillators, face shields etc);
3. In Canada production of #2 items, test kits, vaccinations (all should be permanent factors in the future and maintained);
4. Testing for virus. Fast, effective (similar to the South Korean response). Unlike the US response. Testing at airports, cruise line depots etc. Isolation Hotels at entrance into Canada;
5. App for phones to track people. (I guess this will raise heck here, As much as I like to say I wouldn't want that app- it gave the South Koreans a large leap in controlling the spread of the virus).

It looks like a police state; but to prevent the spread of an virus, extra-ordinary precautions have to be taken.

This is something the governments should already be discussing with the public; as seen by the obama adminstration situation with Swine Flu, Ebola and H1N1. (which is why they made a handbook and set up an agency which the Trump administration shut down).

 

[masterblaster]

There could not have been a worse person than trump to be tasked with dealing with the pandemic. He didn’t take it seriously, he wouldn’t listen to experts, his focus was on the Dow Jones index.

 

[happycanuck99]

There could not have been a worse person than trump to be tasked with dealing with the pandemic. He didn’t take it seriously, he wouldn’t listen to experts, his focus was on the Dow Jones index.

I agree except for one thing. His focus wasn't on the Dow Jones. His focus always has and always will be on HIMSELF!

 

[big tits only]

There could not have been a worse person than trump to be tasked with dealing with the pandemic. He didn’t take it seriously, he wouldn’t listen to experts, his focus was on the Dow Jones index.

Canada's response has been far worse and a bigger failure; we just don't have the same population as the US to get the same negative press.
As bad as the US has been, at least Trump immediately banned all incoming flights from China around Feb 2020, then a few months later it got out of hand. Also, he secured the most vaccines in relation to population during his term , and now they are one of the leading countries in getting the Covid Vaccine.

In comparision, Trudeau has done absolutely nothing, he still allows direct flights from China in 2020 without any screening/testing, and goes on Secret Carribean vacations during the holiday despite ordering everybody else to stay home. We are also dead last in the G7 in getting vaccinated; his one job he had to do all last year. If the CBC didn't always run cover for Blackface he would be the obvious embarassment of the world.

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

Canada's response has been far worse and a bigger failure; we just don't have the same population as the US to get the same negative press.
As bad as the US has been, at least Trump immediately banned all incoming flights from China around Feb 2020, then a few months later it got out of hand. Also, he secured the most vaccines in relation to population during his term , and now they are one of the leading countries in getting the Covid Vaccine.

In comparision, Trudeau has done absolutely nothing, he still allows direct flights from China in 2020 without any screening/testing, and goes on Secret Carribean vacations during the holiday despite ordering everybody else to stay home. We are also dead last in the G7 in getting vaccinated; his one job he had to do all last year. If the CBC didn't always run cover for Blackface he would be the obvious embarassment of the world.

The Libs are focused more on procedures, time to throw that book away and mobilize a proper all out Covid vaccine response!

 

[happycanuck99]

Canada's response has been far worse and a bigger failure

I must be missing something her. What do you have to smoke to believe this? Of course if you dismiss all the facts and the media as being "alternative facts" then I suppose it's easy. I just can't understand what view or perspective of the numbers would make it look like Canada is doing worse, per capita, than the U.S.

I'm not just trying to be a jerk. Please point me to some kind of substantiation of this claim, because I think I'd be very interested. I'm guessing we won't agree on a reliable source, but here's one that should be relatively neutral: COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory - Wikipedia According to the chart on that page, deaths per 100,000: US 139.30; Canada 55.28. I'll take Canada's, thanks!

Having said that, it's possible I should have read your post more literally. Perhaps "Canada's response" has been far worse and we've just gotten really really lucky. Is that what you meant?

Also, I'm NOT trying to be partisan about it. I'm not trying to tear down Trudeau, nor am I trying to glorify him. To be honest I think it's far too simplistic to pin it on any one individual, especially since the provinces have actually been more involved than the feds. I'm just trying to compare numbers and understand.

 

[big tits only]

I must be missing something her. What do you have to smoke to believe this? Of course if you dismiss all the facts and the media as being "alternative facts" then I suppose it's easy. I just can't understand what view or perspective of the numbers would make it look like Canada is doing worse, per capita, than the U.S.

Ironic, it sounds like you are the one busy smoking the Trudeau kush and drinking in CBC 'Kool-Aid' glorification of PM Blackface, despite his multitude of Covid blunders. It's beside the point to argue whether Canada has been 'better' than the USA; that's like arguing who is the prettiest girl in an Ugly girl pageant.

While I'm sure you can find some some obscured metrics to support your narrow point (like wikipedia....lol)
There is no question Canada's Covid response has been atrocious and among the world's worst. And much of the blame does fall on Trudeau as he had the authority and responsibility to make decisions which resulted in our current situation. As the head of the Federal government, our Drama Queen had authority over the borders, immigration, health, and National/ international matters, and did pretty much nothing until it was too late.

Have you even looked outside the last year and noticed the whole country on lockdown? Beleive it or not, some countries (i.e. Taiwan) managed to avoid severe lockdown by swiftly implementing strict policy measures early, which Trudeau is only doing now after a year of suffering and lockdowns.

Trudeau also is (ir)responsible for obtaining Vaccines. We are the worst G7 country in getting vaccinated despite all his false promises of obtaining enough Vaccines for everyone all last year.

If you want some facts and substance, for starters look below.

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the...ovid-fighting-efforts-are-among-worlds-worst/
https://globalnews.ca/news/7596337/canada-us-coronavirus-vaccinations/amp/

 

[happycanuck99]

Well, it's obvious we won't agree, and I'm ok with that, but...

Ironic, it sounds like you are the one busy smoking the Trudeau kush and drinking in CBC 'Kool-Aid' glorification of PM Blackface

I'm not sure how it's ironic, but ok. Did you actually read my post? At what point did you get the impression I was pro-Trudeau or pro-CBC? My post stuck to a very narrow argument, specifically that Canada is doing much better than the US in the detail that matters most: how many people are dying.

It's beside the point to argue whether Canada has been 'better' than the USA

Ummm.... it's very much the point. Your quote was "Canada's response has been far worse and a bigger failure", and you were making that comparison with the US (specifically comparing Trudeau to Trump).

While I'm sure you can find some some obscured metrics to support your narrow point (like wikipedia....lol)

I hardly know what to say if you find Wikipedia an obscure source. Also, for me there simply is no more clear metric than deaths per capita. And I agree, I did have a very narrow point: that Canada has fewer deaths per capita than the US. Vaccinations may be important, but they're not on the same level. Australia and New Zealand have pretty much put a stop to new cases. They could be vaccinating zero people and still be better off than Canada or the US.

If you want some facts and substance, for starters look below.

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the...ovid-fighting-efforts-are-among-worlds-worst/
https://globalnews.ca/news/7596337/canada-us-coronavirus-vaccinations/amp/

I can only assume you haven't done a lot of higher learning, nor ever really been taught how to digest information sources. That may sound like an insult but it's honestly not meant to be. Some of my best friends and some of the smartest people I know don't have any higher learning. One of the smartest people I ever met had a grade 9 education. Your opinions are still just as valid and worthy as mine. I just don't think the way you're presenting them stands up to scrutiny very well.

1. I generally like and appreciate Maclean's reporting. However, the piece you refer to is an editorial. It is not a news story. It would never be accepted as a legitimate source in a research paper, for example. Editorials can be informative, but they are, by definition, only the writer's opinion. The article laments that things are bad in Canada, but it's very thin on facts. To be fair it does quote the "Lowy Institute", but again, that's a think-tank, not an objective source of facts. It also talks about how badly we're doing at vaccinating, but I believe I covered that above. Now to stick with this argument, Wikipedia would also not be accepted as a good source. However, I think a case can easily be made that it's much more a source of truth than an editorial. (Also, I'm not about to go to any peer-reviewed and published papers for the sake of this conversation. )
2. The CBC article also talks about vaccinations. As I said before, if a country has COVID under control (and I'm not even saying Canada does - please jut follow the point), then in theory it wouldn't matter if they were vaccinating zero or a million people per day. I should hope the US is doing better - they have two and a half times as many people per capita dying when compared to Canada.

P.S. Since I implied a little about how to construct an argument, I should add that

it sounds like you are the one busy smoking the Trudeau kush and drinking in CBC 'Kool-Aid' glorification of PM Blackface

is known as an "Ad hominem" argument. It seems to be very popular in this forum, and Trump is a master at it.

 

[masterblaster]

Canada's response has been far worse and a bigger failure; we just don't have the same population as the US to get the same negative press.
As bad as the US has been, at least Trump immediately banned all incoming flights from China around Feb 2020, then a few months later it got out of hand. Also, he secured the most vaccines in relation to population during his term , and now they are one of the leading countries in getting the Covid Vaccine.

In comparision, Trudeau has done absolutely nothing, he still allows direct flights from China in 2020 without any screening/testing, and goes on Secret Carribean vacations during the holiday despite ordering everybody else to stay home. We are also dead last in the G7 in getting vaccinated; his one job he had to do all last year. If the CBC didn't always run cover for Blackface he would be the obvious embarassment of the world.

trumps failure to handle the pandemic is quite obvious when you consider that’s what cost him the election.

 

[happycanuck99]

trumps failure to handle the pandemic is quite obvious when you consider that’s what cost him the election.

I think to blame his election loss on his failure to handle the pandemic may be just a little oversimplification - I think there were numerous factors involved, but I definitely agree with you.

 

[musingaway]

There is no question Canada's Covid response has been atrocious and among the world's worst.

What measure are you using to evaluate a country’s effectiveness? The US and the UK have had some of the worst outcomes in the developed world and have a death rate of almost triple Canada’s. (And that’s the death RATE, not total deaths)

BC especially has had one of the best outcomes, so far. How do you say that Canada has had an objectively worse response?

 

[musingaway]

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the...ovid-fighting-efforts-are-among-worlds-worst/
https://globalnews.ca/news/7596337/canada-us-coronavirus-vaccinations/amp/

And the two articles you posted, one is an opinion piece of Scott Gilmore, a “Social entrepreneur” (sounds real qualified) and the second article you posted includes this:

“Canada has secured access to more vaccines than any other country in the world — enough to inoculate its entire population three times over — thanks to agreements with Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Medicago, Sanofi-GlaxoSmithKline, Novavax and Johnson & Johnson.”

and then it goes on to say the lag that Canada is experiencing, just like many other major European nations, is due to a temporary shutdown of the European productions facilities which is being done to expand production.

You should stick with the facts, man, and not get so triggered over the bullshit you read online.

 

[musingaway]

Goddamn, man. So that opinion piece you’re reading has the guy citing the Lowry Institute, an Australian think tank, that rated 98 countries on their response. Understandably, Canada is behind many countries in Asia that did exceptionally well.

The US, on the other hand, is 94th. Four spots away from dead last (Brazil has that honour) and they cite a big issue in Canada and the US’s failures have to do with — people having an unreasonable distrust of their government (therefore not following guidelines and restrictions).

I’m smoking a joint in the bathtub on a Saturday afternoon; why the fuck am I doing a better job of comprehending the shit you’re posting than you are?

 

[AMG-GTR]

I only post on here when I’m high.

I think many people are going to have a charged opinion about a lot of things related to this. While I personally think the US did a horrible job, Canada also did a horrible job.

Even when I’m high AF I’m not going to step into a burning building.

Where Canada made many mistakes was:

-In the early days of the pandemic, donating millions of medical grade masks for free to China and then Canada had no supply

-Canada buying over 100,000,000 masks that were fraudulent and had to be destroyed

-Did not cancel many in-bound flights due to the worry of looking racist

-The banning of 3M production to Canada, which the media says was overturned but actually wasn’t. The Canadian government turns around and gives 3M $22M to convert a facility already in Canada to produce masks 8 months with the contract not saying the masks have to be sold to Canada first.

-The mistakes with the vaccines are countless which a simple search on the internet will provide details.

-Canada is now #1 in the world for something. Due to corruption, disregard for tomorrow, and poor spending habits, We are now ahead of Japan in Debt load! Considering Canada produces absolutely nothing, it means as a country, we are totally screwed. Hope you don’t give a shit about your kids because they’re the ones that will be paying taxes that will make today feel like Monaco!

The only reason Canada feels good about the COVID response is due to the fact that we are being compared to the US daily. Canadians know more about the US than Canada due to media.

Canada has faired better than the US numbers but it’s not due to great leadership. Canadians are more obedient than Americans by a landslide. We also have one tenth the population and the population is spread out very differently.

Over a year after the pandemic, China is running at 100% capacity and some parts of Canada are in their most serious lock down yet.

I’m not trying to shit on Canada. I live here too. It’s sad. It’s incredible how incompetent the system is and how the country has shown how weak and pathetic it is. This is sad because with great leadership and forward thinking, this could have been a year where Canada could have outshined the US and made some global progress. Instead the country took a huge shit in an already clogged toilet and broke the handle off.

 

[dumass]

Well, it's obvious we won't agree, and I'm ok with that, but...



I'm not sure how it's ironic, but ok. Did you actually read my post? At what point did you get the impression I was pro-Trudeau or pro-CBC? My post stuck to a very narrow argument, specifically that Canada is doing much better than the US in the detail that matters most: how many people are dying.



Ummm.... it's very much the point. Your quote was "Canada's response has been far worse and a bigger failure", and you were making that comparison with the US (specifically comparing Trudeau to Trump).



I hardly know what to say if you find Wikipedia an obscure source. Also, for me there simply is no more clear metric than deaths per capita. And I agree, I did have a very narrow point: that Canada has fewer deaths per capita than the US. Vaccinations may be important, but they're not on the same level. Australia and New Zealand have pretty much put a stop to new cases. They could be vaccinating zero people and still be better off than Canada or the US.



I can only assume you haven't done a lot of higher learning, nor ever really been taught how to digest information sources. That may sound like an insult but it's honestly not meant to be. Some of my best friends and some of the smartest people I know don't have any higher learning. One of the smartest people I ever met had a grade 9 education. Your opinions are still just as valid and worthy as mine. I just don't think the way you're presenting them stands up to scrutiny very well.

1. I generally like and appreciate Maclean's reporting. However, the piece you refer to is an editorial. It is not a news story. It would never be accepted as a legitimate source in a research paper, for example. Editorials can be informative, but they are, by definition, only the writer's opinion. The article laments that things are bad in Canada, but it's very thin on facts. To be fair it does quote the "Lowy Institute", but again, that's a think-tank, not an objective source of facts. It also talks about how badly we're doing at vaccinating, but I believe I covered that above. Now to stick with this argument, Wikipedia would also not be accepted as a good source. However, I think a case can easily be made that it's much more a source of truth than an editorial. (Also, I'm not about to go to any peer-reviewed and published papers for the sake of this conversation. )
2. The CBC article also talks about vaccinations. As I said before, if a country has COVID under control (and I'm not even saying Canada does - please jut follow the point), then in theory it wouldn't matter if they were vaccinating zero or a million people per day. I should hope the US is doing better - they have two and a half times as many people per capita dying when compared to Canada.

P.S. Since I implied a little about how to construct an argument, I should add that

is known as an "Ad hominem" argument. It seems to be very popular in this forum, and Trump is a master at it.

Who is going to read this pile of fake news propaganda you are peddling? You dismiss en editorial based on facts, for your own 'opinion' based on your alternative 'facts'.... Uh...ok. Then you dismiss Vaccination response totally, which is a clear and important part of COVID response regardless of infections...very convenient. You dodge facts like a pro dude.

The fact you need a whole essay to dance around certain facts says it all. Triggered much? Relax dude Trump is out of office what do you need to get fed up now with. I can't wait to read your next essay quoting Trudeaus bribed Liberal media sources to tell me how I am wrong. Lol. Please get laid dude you need it, more than me.

 

[dumass]

What measure are you using to evaluate a country’s effectiveness? The US and the UK have had some of the worst outcomes in the developed world and have a death rate of almost triple Canada’s. (And that’s the death RATE, not total deaths)

BC especially has had one of the best outcomes, so far. How do you say that Canada has had an objectively worse response?

In terms of Vaccinations, Canada is last in G7, did you even read before running your mouth?

"On a per capita basis, the U.S. has so far inoculated 5.2 per cent of its population, while Canada stands at 1.1."

On paper we have 'secured Vaccination" but we are not actually getting dosages and administering them. This is in part due to the lack of respect other companies and countries have towards Trudeau, they don't care enough to deliver.

 

[happycanuck99]

Who is going to read this pile of fake news propaganda you are peddling?

If it's too complicated for you, I'll understand. The education system has failed you, and I'm sorry about that. I'm guessing people who are curious, such as yourself, may read it. It would be nice if they could do so objectively, but I know that's asking too much.

Please get laid dude you need it, more than me.

Now here's something we can agree on. Yep, I DEFINITELY need to get laid. In fact, that's why I'm on PERB. Are you just here to "read the articles"?

 

[happycanuck99]

Who is going to read this pile of fake news propaganda you are peddling?

P.S. In keeping with the ad hominem argument style that is so prevalent in this forum, might I suggest that there appear to be a lot more people reading (or at least positively responding to) my posts than yours? Having said that, I tend to be skeptical of the masses, so I don't necessarily take much pride in them agreeing with me, but it's still nice affirmation now and then.

 

[musingaway]

This is in part due to the lack of respect other companies and countries have towards Trudeau, they don't care enough to deliver.

LOL! Can you send me your source on this please?

 

[sybian]

LOL! Can you send me your source on this please?

I’m pretty sure I may have mentioned that in the past.....but it should be said ,most people do not consider me as a reliable source of information.