Tom Ellison case, I understand it now.

[Horse99]

He's an asshole, and I'm surprised at any attempts to support his actions. I bet he thought it was cool 20 years ago to bop these little girls, but I bet he thinks very differently about his daughter losing her virginity to some teacher/predator...

 

[Sleepy]

He's an asshole, and I'm surprised at any attempts to support his actions....

I agree with Horse.

 

[gravitas]

What about that driver of the bus and what he/ she has to go through.

Fair enough, to save the problems of PTSD how about while walking on Burrard past the Marine building one of the brass Canadian geese come loose and dive-bombs lodging into the top of his head beak first?

 

[mick_eight]

Fair enough, to save the problems of PTSD how about while walking on Burrard past the Marine building one of the brass Canadian geese come loose and dive-bombs lodging into the top of his head beak first?

Thanks for the reply.except I hope the beak hits his groin, severing his femoral artery and he bleeds to death watching his blood run over his cock and balls. PS I used to fuk a bus driver and I wouldn't want her to go trough the PTSD, might fuk up her BJ

 

[gravitas]

Nobody is supporting him

Exactly! The guys a first rate douche bag and I'm disgusted by what he did but the fact remains he didn't break the laws of the day. Even if he did there's a reason we have statute of limitations. After 25 years witnesses are going to be dodgy at best let alone what I can only imagine as a non-existent chain of custody with evidence

Thanks for the reply.....PS I used to fuk a bus driver and I wouldn't want her to go trough the PTSD, might fuk up her BJ

My pleasure, also makes for sense to not use the bus as the repair would come out the public trough. Also happy to comply as the last thing you want is some twitchy chick with PTST sucking your pecker.

 

[john23]

I'm very skeptical over the whole idea of repressed memory and the potential to dredge up things that may never have happened.

Scientific american printed an article about this where they showed an experiment where a bunch people all got the same fake memory. At least it was something more tasteful than getting banged by satanists...

Hey, isn't Ellison married to or living with one of the students right now and has a child with her?

I figured out what GBM related after reading the second article on it in the Province. However, Ellison, not only in a position of authority as a teacher, seemed to enjoy humiliating the defendants a bit so IMO nobody is totally innocent in this.

 

[georgebushmoron]

And now the women are being jerks but it's all quite legal, whats the difference?

The difference is that the taxpayer is paying a hell of a lot of money for the right of these women to suddenly find something wrong with what HE did (alas, and we are to believe they had no share of that participation indeed). How long is this trial going to last? How long have the police been "investigating" this? How much legal preparation from the Crown was done before the case was brought to trial? Let me guess at a figure, and I'll bet it's not too far off the mark: $500,000. You like your tax dollars spent to clear the supposed dignities and the pathetic history of these wayward women and their past?

These women are revealing embarassing, traumatic moments of their lives when they were naive, emotionally immature GIRLS ....
After all these years they've had to dredge up these memories because Ellison deserves to be punished for his wanton abuse of power.

Ellison abused his power, but still within the law as far as legal consent is concerned, and also as far as abuse of authority is concerned (in fact, no law regarding abuse of authority existed at the time). That these women are revealing embarrassing/traumatic moments may be cause for sympathy, but obviously I have none. The reason is because they chose, entirely at their option, to remove a publication ban on their names. So how embarrassing is this really? And I wish to hammer the obvious point home: 25 years to be embarrassed and traumatized by something that they do not contest as consensual on their own part is very suspect.

I think that GBM is too young to know about or has forgotten the old laws on "contributing to the delinquency of a minor"

Who cares about that law? The judge in this case doesn't even discuss it. In fact, Ellison is being charged with Gross Indecency and Indecent Assault. Gross Indecency is: "The nature of the sex act, the relationship between the parties and whether there was consent and, if so, how valid that consent was". Indecent Assault is: "the use of force against someone's will during a sex act, whether it be a kiss, breast massage or oral sex". See: http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=d5dfe9fe-eb12-47c4-88bf-6aac55ff2b5e&p=3

In both charges, it took 25 years to bring to trial whether or not there was consent. Think real hard: if the police were made to know that there was a teacher who was having non-consensual sex with people who could be minors, they would have no choice but to act very quickly. In fact, it was obviously of no imminent danger to anyone that it took 25 years to discuss "consent".

This whole thing stinks. The bleeding heart types keep telling us what an asshole Ellison is, but that is blatantly obvious yet they forget that in North America, being an asshole is not illegal (sometimes it is encouraged). The bleeding heart types also keep telling us about how these poor women have suffered, etc. I come back to the 25 years again. Was the trauma so bad that in the 25 years since they could not have normal relationships? Were they unable to work because of emotional trauma? We'll never find out because the law prevents us from examining the lives and behaviours of women who bring these allegations to the courts. The reason is because it would bring "more trauma" and that making allegations is traumatic enough. We have to stop protecting the spineless, and instead search for Truth. That is what Justice is all about. And I ask: is it worth $500,000 tax payer dollars to search for a 25 year old truth that really only the intimate parties would ever know? I doubt the tax payer wants to know anyway.

 

[georgebushmoron]

But GBM, what is $500,000 of tax dollars to see justice being done? Look at the Air India case, isn't that total over 300 million? Isn't the Pickton case upwards of 75 million in total? Shouldn't those cases be capped or shall we have unlimited expenditures in the name of justice?

Air India case: largest terrorist event in Canada's history, lots and lots of people died (a couple of hundred). Supercedes the terrorist event in Britain. Only 9/11 is bigger.

Pickton case: potentially the largest serial murder case in North American history, and possibly the most gruesome.

Ellison case: stupid young girls who willingly had not only sex, but relationships that lasted from months to years with a stupid old teacher. The total number of girls numbered 15 or so. The case takes 25 years to come to trial, and the allegations are over "consent". No rape charges. No sexual assault charge.

There's no comparison. We don't live in a Utopia.... so Justice has a monetary price. That means the search for Truth has a monetary price. Sometimes the crime is so horrible, society does not mind paying a virtually infinite amount of money to find out the Truth. But in the case of Ellison, the crimes, if there were any committed, were so minor that the Crown can only bring charges where even a short prison term is in question. Is it worth $500,000? I'd rather put that money into cleaning up the Downtown East Side, you'd at least save lives there. When compared to that, who gives a flying fuck about the reputations of these women?