So, Rambler, what I meant was "kid has history of stealing cars, part of a group that stole car that night, stolen car rams cop car, cop kills kid", end of story. Wouldn't even occur me to look to at any pictures closely, I don't care at that point.
This Was Inevitable
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I heard this too... too bad for Dad there is no offence of "wrongful death" in Canada. There is also no tort of "wrongful death" either, although we do have the Family Compensation Act (see below).Cock Throppled said:
This isn't going to happen, but if - say in a different factual situation - Crown was going to charge a cop with an offence for causing someone's death... I think it would have to be either murder or manslaughter, or maybe criminal negligence causing death. I don't really see that happening in a case like this though where there is so much as a plausible officer safety explanation. I believe it would have to be a situation where other police officers present were willing to testify against the officer who caused the death. In the Lower Mainland we have seen a few like this in recent years (not murders mind you!), the "Stanley Park 6" convictions (which were guilty pleas) and the conviction of a North Van RCMP constable for repeatedly punching and breaking the jaw of a man who was in handcuffs in the back of a police car. Both cases, in my view, would never lead to conviction if it weren't for the evidence of other police officers. If no such evidence exists in the New West case, there will be no charges... and hence no conviction.
Police Act "charges" are a slightly more likely possibility. There are thirteen disciplinary defaults listed in the Police Act Code of Professional Conduct Regulation. These defaults form the basis for public trust complaints and can be used during internal discipline investigations. They are:
Section 4 (1)
discreditable conduct,
neglect of duty,
deceit,
improper disclosure of information,
corrupt practice,
abuse of authority,
improper disclosure of information,
damage to police property,
misuse of intoxicating liquor or drugs in a manner prejudicial to duty,
conduct constituting an offence,
being a party to a disciplinary default,
improper off-duty conduct.
I'm not sure if any of these really apply to the New West situation. What do you guys think?
The Family Compensation Act, http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/stat/F/96126_01.htm, is designed to do the following:
Action for death by wrongful act, neglect or default
2 If the death of a person is caused by wrongful act, neglect or default, and the act, neglect or default is such as would, if death had not resulted, have entitled the party injured to maintain an action and recover damages for it, any person, partnership or corporation which would have been liable if death had not resulted is liable in an action for damages, despite the death of the person injured, and although the death has been caused under circumstances that amount in law to an indictable offence.
So, basically, this is saying that if the officer's [in this case anyway] actions would have formed the basis for an action in damages (like, say the officer had just severely disable the guy) you can still sue, despite the fact that the person who would normally be the plaintiff is now dead. It'll take too long to explain it all here, but basically the defendant can only be liable for that which the deceased would have contributed to the (now) plaintiff (the spouse, parent or child). Since teenagers don't normally contribute much to their parents, the Dad wouldn't really be able to recover much. probably just a token amount from $5,000 to maybe $20,000 - although the Court of Appeal is in the practice of shooting down even those $20,000 awards for deceased children. If the deceased was a mother or father with dependant children and a spouse, then it is a whole different ball game. Could get $500,000 or more.
So, long story short.... Dad, get a lawyer and stop making comments when you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
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WTF is a 15 year-old doing out at 3am anyways. I say he got what he deserved. Too bad they didn't shoot the father also, that would be one less idiot that we have to deal with. It's pretty simple to me, when you do shit like this you're going to pay the price eventually.Cock Throppled said:
That's a point I hadn't thought about. Why not charge the father for letting his kid run wild and stealing cars? Can a parent be charged for neglect for havng a kid commit crimes?
i'm not a big fan of the police but i do aknowledge that they have a tough job and most of them in part are good people just like you and me that want to do a good job and unfortunately you have some assholes in the force that like to abuse their power and what not. but either way you slice it i'm sure that officer just feels horrible right now about what happend. even if everything comes back in evidence that he was justified i'm sure he feels horrible.
Suppose this gang of hooligans had killed the police officer, what would their punishment be? House arrest? Six month license suspension?hornydude said:
In the thread about the street racer involved in the fatal hit and run, an elder of the punks community says "He feels bad, that should be enough punishment".
BTW another lady was killed by street racers here in WPG a couple of days ago. Nothing being done now is working, maybe shooting them is the only thing that will.
In the interest of saving that punk's ass, he should have shot low, and blew off his balls. That way he'd end up with a high pitched voice, better control over his reduced testosterone level, a funny walk, no girlfriends and a body whose only useful sexual function is as a parking lot for horny muscular sex offenders in prison.
The videos of bait cars clearly show the callous nature of these punks, and their complete lack of respect for LE and human lives. Maybe this incident will begin to make them think twice in the future when there is the real possibilty that they could be taking lead home instead of the adrenaline hit they seek when stealing cars...
The videos of bait cars clearly show the callous nature of these punks, and their complete lack of respect for LE and human lives. Maybe this incident will begin to make them think twice in the future when there is the real possibilty that they could be taking lead home instead of the adrenaline hit they seek when stealing cars...
A young offender (he was out after being convicted of stealing about fifty cars) was interviewed on TV and he said that he knew it was wrong but it was just a real rush. He was giggling the whole time. The damage they do, the pain they cause, and any time in custody(never long enough to crimp their style, but it gives them street cred) is all a big joke.Maury Beniowski said:
The thought won't even cross their minds. Do you think they worry about cancer when they start smoking? They just don't think about it. If they do get caught they will see themselves as a victim.Maury Beniowski said:
It's in the nature of boys to do dumb things at that age. I wasn't stealing cars at that point, but I've seen many an internet post that cheered on the death of some dopey kid for doing what I've done.
I can't say I'd do any different if I was the shooting cop, but I don't think this kid was a monster either. It's a tragedy.
I can't say I'd do any different if I was the shooting cop, but I don't think this kid was a monster either. It's a tragedy.
good call. i've done my dirt in my younger days as well. nothing overly illegal i guessWebster said:
i've never stolen a car but i've done some things that i look back on now and think that it was pretty stupid.How about the great friends he had who didn't worry about him stealing cars, getting in an MVA or killing someone else, but are now sooo broken up and crying about him because, "He was so nice and kind and HONEST." No lie, that's what one said. I'm an honest guy - while you're at the funeral mind if I come by and take all your stuff? What planet are these people from? Oh yeah, I forgot - Surrey.
little pricks
We are so willing to blame everyone but the people actually doing the crime.
Fuck'em, they are lucky only one of the pricks was killed and WBD should take a long hard look in the mirror and then pull the trigger on the pistol in his mouth
We are so willing to blame everyone but the people actually doing the crime.
Fuck'em, they are lucky only one of the pricks was killed and WBD should take a long hard look in the mirror and then pull the trigger on the pistol in his mouth
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Don't forget that the convictions were the ones he was caught doing. How many others did he do and not get caught? Clearly he was no innocent child when he chose to be a passenger of the stolen vehicle. I'm not happy that he died and I think that it is sad, but I'm also not losing any sleep over it. I think the cop (who is also a member of the Emergency Response Team) did the right thing in protecting his newbie 3 days on the job partner, who was trapped in the car.Cock Throppled said:
Criminals and their family members who know about their criminal behaviour need to be prepared for the consequences of their actions or do something about it... like stopping the criminal behaviour.
