Square Pegs in Round Holes

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As pooners we kid ourselves so much and in so many ways about our relationships with SPs. I see it here on PERB all the time.

Some of us harbor delusions of SPs wanting us so much that they would see us for free or even that we could have an SP for a girlfriend.

The very term "girlfriend experience" (GFE), tells a lot about many pooner's state of mind regarding the girls.

Good SPs are very good at creating this "fantasy" for their clients. But don't kid yourselves, it's always just a fantasy.

Unless you're as cool as HB40 and have married an SP, you have no hope of that fantasy ever becoming a reality.

We pooners live in the "square" world and most SPs occupy a very different space.

I remember when I was a very young lad in the early 80's, I picked up a beautiful SP who was a few years older than me and after we'd done the dirty deed she asked if she could stay with me overnight. I was thrilled and said yes immediately.

We talked, listened to music, drank plenty of wine and made love a few more times during the night and I thought, this is so cool.

When we were listening to a Joni Mitchell album we both liked, the song "The Jungle Line" came on.

She asked me if I knew what it was about and I mumbled something about exploitation of people in Africa. She looked at me like I was stupid and said, "No, it's about drugs and drug addiction."

We listened to it again and I was surprised, it was like a veil had been lifted. She was totally right, and it was obvious. I was so "square."

Then she told me she was a recovering junkie and now I was shocked!

She didn't look strung out or wasted, she seemed completely normal.

"Why do you think most girls do this?" she asked. Several of my illusions had just been shattered.

We fell asleep in my bed soon after her revelation and the next morning I drove her to the Methadone Clinic so she could get her fix.

We said our goodbyes and I wished her luck and sadly, never saw her again.

A few years later I had another glimpse into the real SP world when my ATF at the time, a really beautiful girl who looked like a young Sharon Stone, had a horrible experience while working.

I had literally fallen in love with this girl, I'll call her Tiffany, but was under no illusions of forming a relationship as my love was unrequited.

Then the really bad thing happened. This was in the late 80's before MPs became popular and most of the really gorgeous girls still worked the streets.

Very late one September night, Tiffany met a monster. This man drove her to an abandoned parking lot and pulled a gun on her. He brutally raped and sodomized her and when he was done he forced her to suck on his gun's barrel while he played with the trigger, At that moment, she was certain he would kill her but he just laughed and kicked her out of his car and drove off.

I looked for Tiffany for several days and couldn't find her so I asked some of her co-workers where she was and they told me she didn't want to work because of a really bad date.

I phoned her and we met for lunch and she told me the whole terrible story and how she was so traumatized and scared that she just couldn't work anymore.

Her "boyfriend" had agreed to give her some time off but wanted her to start working again soon. The only way the bastard would let her quit is if she paid him $10,000. He didn't think she'd be able to come up with that much money unless she worked again.

I told her I would help her and over the next couple of weeks I helped her to get the money she needed to pay him off. He wasn't a total asshole and he kept his word and let her go.

She went back to her home town and got a normal job. I know, because I checked up on her a few months later.

But how different her real life had been from the happy "fantasy girl" she had shown everyone when working as an SP.

Even today, most SPs always hold something of themselves back. I know girls who will do just about anything with a client, FS, BJs, DATY, greek, you name it but they will not let you do a simple thing like LFK. They will always hold something back.

This is how they separate their work from their private lives. This is how they stay sane while doing this very difficult job.

And this is why square pegs will never fit into round holes.

For an hour or so though, when we see our favorite girl, we can pretend, and dream the beautiful dream.....
 

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Santa....such a cool post. You are a good man, in spite of what everyone says.

I am just in and about to embark on two days OFF...thank fuck for that. I love my job, but when my days off come around....oh baby, thank you. If it wasn't for the omnipresence of Miss Strapon Road, I would enjoy them more. But, that's just whining. I will spend these next two days finalizing my submission to them and that will take care of that....for better or worse. I will plan on "worse"...if "better" comes along, it will be an enjoyable surprise.

Speaking a bit on your experiences as related...cool stuff in how you responded to those events. But, as counterpoint, also note that more than a few SP's view this hobby from a "business" point of view and take the appropriate steps to guard against the addictions that any sort of "easy" lifestyle invites. I have succumbed to the vagaries that "easy" provides....we all have....our western world provides opportunities that could only be dreamed of by others. I am forever grateful that I was born into this small snippet of the world's populace known as "western" society. Given a grasp of the straws, most likely I would have ended up elsewhere...population statistics are just that.

I will summate this with the thought that flows through my mind when I meet with some of these cool people known as SP. I think to myself, that's a hard job. Always posting out a picture...a description....an enticement...trying to find the right balance to attract another to procure my services. That's a tough job. Some are exceptionally good at it, thrive at it, and they shine through either by dint of their posted thoughts, images, or ideas. Still, a difficult job to be sure. I always like to imagine myself in the "others" role and I would think things like....."how dare you imagine my tits are too small/big/flat/round/whatever......how dare you critique my whateveritisiamshowing. But, I'm petty like that. It would bother me.

I love this board and the ability it provides to find and, possibly, meet the ones with the minds and bodies that fit what we are seeking. There are some wicked cool ones out there for sure.

kindest,

eddie.
 

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As pooners we kid ourselves so much and in so many ways about our relationships with SPs. I see it here on PERB all the time.

Unless you're as cool as HB40 and have married an SP, you have no hope of that fantasy ever becoming a reality.



For an hour or so though, when we see our favorite girl, we can pretend, and dream the beautiful dream.....
Thanks for such a thought provoking post Bad Santa.

But don't kid yourself, I am probably the most pathetic and delusional uncool guy here. Seriously, I'm a fucking idiot, an SP told me that once, the most honest and real moment I've ever had with an escort I'm sure. It's true, I could tell you stories of how foolish I am and the ways I try to glean just a taste of genuine realism but quite honestly it's too humiliating. The ironic thing is I pour my heart out to SP's and it can only make them respect me less. I pay for it, I'm a client and that is all I can ever be.
 

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Eddie, Nina,

Thanks for your kind comments.

I thought a long time before posting this thread and cried some tears remembering....

But now, I'm glad I posted it. Thanks.
 

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Thanks for such a thought provoking post Bad Santa.

But don't kid yourself, I am probably the most pathetic and delusional uncool guy here. Seriously, I'm a fucking idiot, an SP told me that once, the most honest and real moment I've ever had with an escort I'm sure. It's true, I could tell you stories of how foolish I am and the ways I try to glean just a taste of genuine realism but quite honestly it's too humiliating. The ironic thing is I pour my heart out to SP's and it can only make them respect me less. I pay for it, I'm a client and that is all I can ever be.
I take everything you said and apply it to myself thrice-fold.

I've bolded the most important bit. I think this is something that's easy to forget but is the most important.


Just like the fans of the invisible man, we're not really here.
HB,

You are cool. And I'm sure the girls do respect you for your honesty, as any good person would!

And Richter,

Any SP, if she's a good person and I know most are, will respect you for pouring your heart out. Yes we pay for it. But we pay for everything we do. And I have found that what I pay to SPs for what I receive in return, is usually a bargain!
 
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since this is a fairly wide ranging title....really, who hasn't tried to stuff a square peg into the wrong hole. That was not an invitation to specifics...specify as you wish or want....but, I reiterate, NOT an invitation.

SNL...I love you....simple easy. You are fun and have the good mind....even when you go psycho....thankfully, I have never seen that side (we all go psycho.....). HB rocks...Santa rocks....uncleg sounds fun...peaceguy too. Jim is reserved but, given a chance to call him friend, he would not disappoint. I hate the whole "naming" thing...Hubba comes to mind now...he's fun too. I leave out some cool people by even attempting to name....but c'est ca la vie.

Tomorrow I will lash three clubs to my bike and trundle down to Victoria municipal and walk on as "single". That will guarantee me a tee time within 20 minutes of my arrival. Much like calling "single" in the lift line, moves you up pretty quick. I am reminded by that of a Steve Martin skit way back when about....exactly that. He talks about how he goes "single" on to the lift line....then gets half way up the lift...and turns to the guy/gal seated next to him....after picking off the name engraved on their ski's....and starts acting like he has known them all his life. In his skit....the guy's name is "rental". He tells it far better.

Before I conclude...I had a phone call from an ex Mistress about an hour ago...wondering how I was. Wow, that was cool. I assured her that I was fine....we both know that is/was a lie. But, it was so kind of her to call...and I told her as much. Paths diverge, and if you are fan of predestination, there is likely a reason.

Still and all, it was a spot of humanity in what is often far too much a "cool" world.

Fore!!!!!

eddie.
 

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Interesting post Santa, brings back memories of my younger days. I had SP girlfriends, but I didn't see them as a client before I dated them and I think that makes a difference. I think the delusional part comes into play when you want to make the switch from client to boyfriend. That I never tried to do, it was sort of like going to a bar, making friends with the bartender and then expecting free drinks. That time frame does hold some of my fonder memories.

I remember taking home one of the SP's I was dating, she was sweetheart, embarrassed the hell out of her when my mother walked into the bedroom in the morning to find out what she wanted for breakfast. We dated for quite awhile, and got to know her kid, her mother and brother. She continued to work and it was never an issue for me. Where we parted ways was when she started to get into drugs, I wouldn't tolerate it and she didn't want to give it up. I ran into her again years later, she had a square job and a family. It finally gave me an opportunity to ask her something that had been in the back of my mind for awhile. Did she go out with me because of me or was it because I stuck a .357 down the throat of a pimp that was trying force her to work for him.

Your Tiffany story has a familiar ring to it, something like that happened to one of the girls I knew here as well, but he was caught. It didn't go well for him.

You're right about the holding back, there was always that one thing they only did with the boyfriend, but I ran into a twist on that. I ran into an SP I had gone out with as a client at a social function. I couldn't kiss her as a client, but she kissed me as a friend when I met her at this function, yes there was tongue. What the hell ?

None of this is recent, it goes back to when the center of the business was the Penthouse and the high track, no internet, no MP's or Micros. Everybody sort of knew each other and it was like a big family.
 

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You are one cool Dood!

Thanks for your post. And yeah, until the fucking public out there get past their hypocritcal attitudes toward sex and sex workers it's best to keep your private lives to yourself.

Good luck to you and your Lady!:)

Thanks Uncleg, We're getting so many great stories from this thread!
 

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You are one cool Dood!

Thanks for your post. And yeah, until the fucking public out there get past their hypocritcal attitudes toward sex and sex workers it's best to keep your private lives to yourself.

Good luck to you and your Lady!:)

Amen........................................................
 

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You know, it's threads like these that really make we want to retire immediately from the "game".

I have retirement plans anyway but when I hear some of the more extreme sides of the business and it's negatives I wonder if any of the beautiful women that allow me to spend time with them are really hurting behind the mask they present me with.


I don't have any desire to be part of anyone's life that they look back on in a few years with sadness and regret.
That would go right against what I'm trying to get out of dipping my toes in this rather taboo arena; i.e. to learn more and more about how to make others feel good and be able to have reciprocal feelings of joy too. Well, within the bounds of what can be achieved in a place where a cash transaction is involved, anyway.
There's good and bad in any job, Richter. I work in sales and run into jerks everyday. I think it's the same for the girls. I'm sure they appreciate the good clients. So don't give up on it because of anything said here. The SPs need all the "good" guys they can get.
 

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Bad Santa,

Thank you for humanizing the ladies in this industry and hopefully allowing other men to see SP's as human beings with feelings and souls. I am grateful to be able to say that my history is much less traumatic....but the fact that you respected, helped and supported your friend (especially when she didn't seek you out) says so very much about your character.

Had I not met you already, I would want to.

YOU my friend, are a GOOD man.

With kindest regards and great respect,

Miss Maryn
 

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Yes, hobbyists can have a tough time with keeping this secret, I'm sure... though somehow I think it's more socially acceptable to buy sex than sell it, and has been even more so of late.
Nina, I hope a day comes when society treats sex workers with the same respect as any others. God knows you deserve this respect.

Wasn't there a dude named Jesus who saved the prostitute Mary Magdelane from being stoned to death by a mob?

And wasn't she the only one of his followers other than his mother who had the courage to stand by him when they crucified him?

God save the hypocrites for they know what they do!!!
 

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Bad Santa,

Thank you for humanizing the ladies in this industry and hopefully allowing other men to see SP's as human beings with feelings and souls. I am grateful to be able to say that my history is much less traumatic....but the fact that you respected, helped and supported your friend (especially when she didn't seek you out) says so very much about your character.

Had I not met you already, I would want to.

YOU my friend, are a GOOD man.

With kindest regards and great respect,

Miss Maryn
Thanks Maryn!!:eek:
 

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We all do... I don't walk around telling people I've paid for prostitiutes, but at the same time it's nothing I feel ashamed of or regret.
Yes, hobbyists can have a tough time with keeping this secret, I'm sure... though somehow I think it's more socially acceptable to buy sex than sell it, and has been even more so of late.


If you don't regret it and are not ashamed of it, why not tell people about it ? I wouldn't suggest it as a conversation starter, but if the subject comes up why not admit it ?
Is it the stigma attached that keeps people quiet ?
SNL makes an interesting observation about buying sex being more socially acceptable lately. I wonder if it might be because the people in the news aren't buying sex from prostitutes, they are buying it from escorts ?
So sonoman, if you tell people you are playing in the same leagues as Tiger Woods and Charlie Sheen, escorts rather then prostitutes then maybe all people would fault you for is bragging.:D
 
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