Purchased a handgun

[uncleg]

Uncleg you have gone to far ... You want to shoot barney you will have to shoot me first!

PS DON"T SHOOT lol

Kisses Melina*

Melina, since you are a favorite of he whose name cannot be mentioned while on vacation Hey Hey, I will give it my best effort, but........................

...............and I'm out of medication.

 

[storm rider]

What a stupid thread.

To the OP....if the world went all to hell and society was all fucked up you handgun would be worthless....anything outside of 15 feet away will be missed by your shots....meanwhile if I were one of the evil looters and was armed with a meagre .22 bolt action lakefield I could hit you with a head shot from well over 200 feet away......and I could do this as I can centre hit spent 12 gauge casings from 75 feet whilst standing.....I am sure the first thing that looters would loot if society were going down the toilet would actually be a gunshop....so they had the firepower to take down anything else.

As for actually owning a handgun....if at any time the cops pay your home a visit for whatever reason....domestic dispute/burglary and the list goes on...if your hand gun is found in an unsecure way you will be charged with improper storage of a firearm.....because firearms must be stored in either a gun safe and at the very least they must be stored with a locking device such as a trigger lock....a lot of good that handgun will do you when somebody kicks in your door....do you think he will wait like a nice person as you find the keys to the lock and also get the ammunition that is by law supposed to be stored seperately?

I myself do have a valid PAL....I could have gotten the restricted endorsement but I did not want it....handguns are pretty much useless except in close in situations.....you dont see to many people that hunt large game with a handgun....try shooting a grizzly that is charging you at 50 MPH.....good luck hitting it as you will be scared shitless.....whilst a guy with a 7MM Remington Magnum that is scoped and sighted could drop that 800+ pound bear with a single surgical shot from a safe distance.

Also....to my knowledge...no Canadian citizen is allowed to carry a concealed firearm...meaning you cant slip that pistol into a shoulder holster and wear a jacket over it to conceal it...it is against the law per my knowledge.

I had the opportunity to buy a minty mint condition .357 magnum revolver a couple years back....a friend of mine was passing through town and wanted a loan and offered the pistol as collateral....I refused as I could not legally posess it....and I would have gotten it at 30 cents to the dollar he paid...that being said I will also say that I think the long gun registry is a farce....it is a total waste of tax payer funds....it was supposed to cost 2 million and it ended up at over 2 billion.....the firearms I own are registered and if the long gun registry were not in place when I bought them I would have registered them as a responsible gun owner.

To compare Canada to the USA is utterly useless...in Canada we have responsible gun ownership laws that got a bit twisted up due to the shooting spree many years back in Montreal by that nutbar Lepine...in the USA every citizen is gauranteed the right to bear arms by the constitution....a constitution that was written in 1776...when ALL firearms were muzzle loaded blackpowder weapons.....and the idea of that constitutional right was so that the government could call citizens to arms to defend the country as miltia as they had just sought independance from the British Empire...something that happened a lot actually....IF the original drafters/signatories of the US Declaration of Independance/Constitution could have known that this would lead to crackheads robbing liquor stores/assholes packing a .38 special at bars/nutjob survivalists who insist that armour peircing rounds are legitimate as well as the massacre shooting such as Columbine would be the legacy of their historic documents.....I am pretty fucking sure thay would have changed the wording.

To the OP....enjoy the shiny new extention to your dick.

SR

 

[poorboyv6]

What a stupid thread.

To the OP....if the world went all to hell and society was all fucked up you handgun would be worthless....anything outside of 15 feet away will be missed by your shots....meanwhile if I were one of the evil looters and was armed with a meagre .22 bolt action lakefield I could hit you with a head shot from well over 200 feet away......and I could do this as I can centre hit spent 12 gauge casings from 75 feet whilst standing.....I am sure the first thing that looters would loot if society were going down the toilet would actually be a gunshop....so they had the firepower to take down anything else.

As for actually owning a handgun....if at any time the cops pay your home a visit for whatever reason....domestic dispute/burglary and the list goes on...if your hand gun is found in an unsecure way you will be charged with improper storage of a firearm.....because firearms must be stored in either a gun safe and at the very least they must be stored with a locking device such as a trigger lock....a lot of good that handgun will do you when somebody kicks in your door....do you think he will wait like a nice person as you find the keys to the lock and also get the ammunition that is by law supposed to be stored seperately?

I myself do have a valid PAL....I could have gotten the restricted endorsement but I did not want it....handguns are pretty much useless except in close in situations.....you dont see to many people that hunt large game with a handgun....try shooting a grizzly that is charging you at 50 MPH.....good luck hitting it as you will be scared shitless.....whilst a guy with a 7MM Remington Magnum that is scoped and sighted could drop that 800+ pound bear with a single surgical shot from a safe distance.

Also....to my knowledge...no Canadian citizen is allowed to carry a concealed firearm...meaning you cant slip that pistol into a shoulder holster and wear a jacket over it to conceal it...it is against the law per my knowledge.

I had the opportunity to buy a minty mint condition .357 magnum revolver a couple years back....a friend of mine was passing through town and wanted a loan and offered the pistol as collateral....I refused as I could not legally posess it....and I would have gotten it at 30 cents to the dollar he paid...that being said I will also say that I think the long gun registry is a farce....it is a total waste of tax payer funds....it was supposed to cost 2 million and it ended up at over 2 billion.....the firearms I own are registered and if the long gun registry were not in place when I bought them I would have registered them as a responsible gun owner.

To compare Canada to the USA is utterly useless...in Canada we have responsible gun ownership laws that got a bit twisted up due to the shooting spree many years back in Montreal by that nutbar Lepine...in the USA every citizen is gauranteed the right to bear arms by the constitution....a constitution that was written in 1776...when ALL firearms were muzzle loaded blackpowder weapons.....and the idea of that constitutional right was so that the government could call citizens to arms to defend the country as miltia as they had just sought independance from the British Empire...something that happened a lot actually....IF the original drafters/signatories of the US Declaration of Independance/Constitution could have known that this would lead to crackheads robbing liquor stores/assholes packing a .38 special at bars/nutjob survivalists who insist that armour peircing rounds are legitimate as well as the massacre shooting such as Columbine would be the legacy of their historic documents.....I am pretty fucking sure thay would have changed the wording.

To the OP....enjoy the shiny new extention to your dick.

SR

Where does it say a gun has to be stored in a safe? NOWHERE.

Did I mention anything about hunting with it?

FYI, I can shoot accurately at 25 yards with a pistol on a consistent and regular basis using strong hand only, support hand only, two hand grip for timed events. I have to be in at 10 yards for moving targets. That's still a far cry from 15 feet.

A long gun will always be more accurate than a pistol, but they aren't exactly convenient.

If I was looking for a dick extension, I'd go for a 45 ACP or some other large caliber, not 9mm.

9mm is good enough for shooting in the Rod and Gun club events and in case of civil disorder.

And if the police are coming to your house for a domestic dispute, they're taking your long guns too.

 

[uncleg]

I am a fan of anything that puts forth a positive happy msg lol! Medication you don't need that like lady gaga says "my love is your drug" let me be your love lol

Kisses Melina*

Sure, NOW you tell me................................just a slight complication, and she plays with real guns, big ones.

 

[Tugela]

The only gun you need is one of these:

 

[storm rider]

Actually, if you have a PAL(prohibited) and a ATC-3, you can carry a concealed handgun. However, every interaction you have with the police is going to be with them having their gun drawn and their nerves jangled. It's pretty easy to get dead that way.

If you live in a very rural area, it's possible to get a PAL(prohibited) and a ATC-2 which allows you to carry in an visible holster outside your clothing. Same cravat applies with the police, any dealings you have with them is going to be with guns drawn and you a mistake away from death.

Even if you have an PAL(prohibited) and a ATC which requires you to have your handgun stored in a gun safe except when on the range's firing line - all of you interactions with police are going to be with guns drawn and you a mistake away from death.

The fact that you have the documents to possess a handgun is going to pop up as soon as the police enter your name or plate. It does keep people from asking to borrow your car It's unpleasant to have a traffic stop turn into an "event", especially if you don't own the car.

That's why I turned in my handgun when I left Toronto.

I've always hunted and my long guns are quite sufficient. If my home was invaded, they wouldn't be much good as they are stored in a gun safe. I doubt that a home invader is going to give me a "time out" while I extract and load them.

And - - that is the problem with the purchase of a weapon of any type for personal defense. Only criminals are going to have a weapon that is loaded and ready for use.

Thank you Al for providing the important facts and also in your secondary post of pointing out and reinforcing what I was correct about....meaning that it IS against the LAW to have a loaded and unsecured pistol no MATTER what permit you hold/have...this is Canada....not the State of Texas.

SR

 

[FloridaGuy]

Sidebar - where can a guy discharge a shotgun in Alberta? I am not talking about hunting I am talking about target practice. Is it legal to fire a shotgun in a non-hunting scenario, other than at a range? Can I go into a rock quarry or somewhere with a safe and limited template behind it, and shoot at cans? If so, whereabouts? Lots of private property out here.

 

[sr8razr]

Storage of any firearm in Canada is covered in the Firearms Act. However, the ARA made a much easier to understand sheet on storage
http://panda.com/canadaguns/#storage

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http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol-leg/hl-fs-eng.htm
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol-leg/act-loi-eng.htm
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-11.6/

ps When, in Ontario, I had an ATC-3 - - there were 12 other people in all of Ontario that had the same license and weren't a police officer. Ontario's population is about 13 million.

1 in a million with an ATC-3. I'm impressed. You were trying to impress right? I rarely run into someone that seems to have so much knowledge with such a need to prove himself. We are lucky you're here.

 

[huggzy]

That's why I said that with me the guy would have been dead. It would have been GUN! BANG BANG if he's not obviously dead, some more shots. I was a Crown Prosecutor during the biker wars when the HA were taking out prosecutors and judges.

That's interesting. A former Crown Prosecuter now posting his past and present experiences and exploits on a pooning review board.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

1 in a million with an ATC-3. I'm impressed. You were trying to impress right? I rarely run into someone that seems to have so much knowledge with such a need to prove himself. We are lucky you're here.

You're still here, Hunsperger?

 

[JClay]

If you fire a firearm anywhere in Canada and it's not a range or a hunting area during a declared hunting season, you are going to have a lot of armed and nervous police looking for you if someone reports it.

This is garbage.

You are allowed to shoot on Crown land as long as you make sure there aren't any hikers/campers/hippies in the area and you're shooting in a safe direction with a good backstop, be that a hill, an old gravel quarry or whatever. Keep your firearms registration paperwork on you, and as long as it's obvious that you're target shooting (paper targets, steel gongs, pop cans, whatever) you'll be fine.

Be smart about it - the COs can and may come and check on you. That's their job. If you do some homework and scout the area you want to shoot in, bring a map and/or check Google Earth to show that the impact area is clear for 5 - 6 kilometers beyond your firing line, the COs will leave you alone once they know you're responsible. I shoot F-Class with a few buddies, and outside of a military range, good luck finding a range that'll go past 200 - 300m, so we found a good spot where we could shoot 1000m+. The COs show up every now and again, we shoot the shit for a while, handshakes and high-fives all around and everyone carries on their merry way. BC is more lax than other provinces like Nova Scotia or Ontario in this regard as well.

 

[j1tanamera]

What an incredibly stupid idea. Any societal breakdown in a crisis will be temporary and localized. So, you get frightened and shoot a few people. Maybe you kill someone trying to steal a generator. Do you really think that will work as justification? Guns are often used against their owners, too.

Maybe its okay to have guns ~ the law should just restrict the sale of bullets..... GUNS DON'T KILL.... BULLETS DO.

I've always believed that if the airlines handed out a gun and one bullet to every passenger, there would probably be no more air hijackings ~ cuz any hijacker would know that there are atleast 100 additional shots to kill him on the plane. Passengers would return the gun and bullet at the end of the flight.

 

[JClay]

In my experience, if you act like a hillbilly, you'll get treated like one. I've been out shooting countless times and the COs have never hassled me beyond asking a few simple questions. People are allowed to shoot on Crown land in pursuit of game or varmints in-season or all-year-round, as it applies to the animal in question, so if you're REALLY nervous, get your small-game license, find out what varmints are in-season all the time, and try to feed that line of bullshit to the COs. I guarantee you'll get a cooler reception than if you'd presented yourself well and just told them what you were doing.

COs' main concern is poachers and irresponsible assholes, so don't tell it like there isn't plenty of flex or individual officer discretion. Ever gotten off on a warning for speeding? Or hell, just consider the nature of the board we're on.

Edit: Please note that I am referring to unrestricted longarms only in my diatribe. COs and LEOs in general will take a dim view of you blasting your 9mm chunk or any other restricted firearm off a range.

 

[FloridaGuy]

Thanks JClay. My experiences back in Ontario are in line with what you write.

 

[storm rider]

Sidebar - where can a guy discharge a shotgun in Alberta? I am not talking about hunting I am talking about target practice. Is it legal to fire a shotgun in a non-hunting scenario, other than at a range? Can I go into a rock quarry or somewhere with a safe and limited template behind it, and shoot at cans? If so, whereabouts? Lots of private property out here.

There is an excellent gun club in Dewinton that offers both trap/skeet and they are reasonable.....west of Calgary there is the Seebe rifle range by Sibbald flats which is free of charge and is a decent facility with bench rests.....some garbage cans as well that are full of holes from asshole firearm owners......last time I was there a group of 5 eastern block guys were using the bench beside me...I think they might have been Russian...they had a serious piece of hardware......very large shells and the rifle was scoped and had a bi-pod at the tip of the forestock....they were capping off full metal jacket rounds at 300 meters and blowing holes through 1/2 inch iron targets......everytime that rifle fired I nearly jumped a foot.

 

[westcoast555]

Maybe its okay to have guns ~ the law should just restrict the sale of bullets..... GUNS DON'T KILL.... BULLETS DO.

I've always believed that if the airlines handed out a gun and one bullet to every passenger, there would probably be no more air hijackings ~ cuz any hijacker would know that there are atleast 100 additional shots to kill him on the plane. Passengers would return the gun and bullet at the end of the flight.

The slogan should be amended to:

"Guns don't kill people... people kill people.... with guns!"

 

[virginjohn]

Now I don't want to buy a gun but is there a place in Vancouver that teaches you how to use one?

 

[uncleg]

Now I don't want to buy a gun but is there a place in Vancouver that teaches you how to use one?

A few, 620 Beatty St., and over at 1650 Burrard, St. They supply the guns, have indoor simulator ranges, and after they think you are competent enough, you go to outdoor ranges.

 

[wet_suit_one]

Personally, I'd rather have a hydrogen bomb in my backyard. I'd advertise the fact far and wide. And when they came to fuck with me, I'd blow the whole fucking city flat.

Back in the real world though, when the shit really breaks down (and a mere earthquake or ice storm is not break down), you'd be much better off having a committed clan or band of brothers who have your back than a gun. Then you have your own gang and have a much better chance of survival. Humans have never been islands and never will. Don't ignore a million years of human experience. We're wolves lions not tigers.

 

[princeofdarkness]

Personally, I'd rather have a hydrogen bomb in my backyard. I'd advertise the fact far and wide. And when they came to fuck with me, I'd blow the whole fucking city flat.

Back in the real world though, when the shit really breaks down (and a mere earthquake or ice storm is not break down), you'd be much better off having a committed clan or band of brothers who have your back than a gun. Then you have your own gang and have a much better chance of survival. Humans have never been islands and never will. Don't ignore a million years of human experience. We're wolves lions not tigers.

... I love the smell of napalm in the morning...

Peace.