Personal Information Requests

[CalgaryPooner]

It happened again. I am curious if this has happened to any of you other guys. When it happened a while back, I was in Vancouver on one of my trips and called up Classy Angel to check out a potential session and could not believe the personal information she asked for from me. She wanted banking information for gawd's sake let alone my real name as her protection she told me. I asked about it and it was to stop bad reviews or something equally convincing (sure, here is all my information so you don't have to worry about a review from me...WTF?!)

Clearly, I gave this one a wide pass and quietly hoped no guys would ever fall for this crap. Well, it happened again. On a business trip to Seattle via Vancouver thought I would check if there was anything happening and the first call I made included a "what is your real name, I need full disclosure for my protection" and that sort of crap.

Have any of you guys run into this sort of stuff? Is it just my voice on the phone that makes me sound like a potential Asian triad member? I thought the Angel stunt was a unique and misguided attempt at blackmailing guys or similar but now I am wondering if this happens more than I thought.

Guys, anyone else run into this? I am not wanting a debate on hookers information getting out and we are all anonymouse etc as that is not my point here so if you are a guy and have seen this sort of crap, speak up please. If you are a guy and can explain why it is indeed isolated or even that you agree with it in some way I cannot understand, I am all ears.

 

[JustCallMeR]

In all my years, I've never run into such a thing...

Although at one point there was a thread on this forum about someone requesting the information online, but that was generally viewed as a scam as I recall(?).

However, I generally keep seeing the same people so I may be out of touch. Common sense says not to provide banking information to a stranger.

Ladies? Is this a new way of chasing away someone that you don't feel comfortable with? or...?

 

[athaire]

I've never had this shit happen before.

 

[*JR]

I have been asked for my name and stuff but banking info never..... I prefer if chicks come to me rather then me going to them, that makes some want a little more info.

 

[Papi Chulo]

I would never give an SP my real name, let alone my banking info.

Why should I, when they never give their real name??

 

[Thais]

On a business trip to Seattle via Vancouver thought I would check if there was anything happening and the first call I made included a "what is your real name, I need full disclosure for my protection" and that sort of crap.

A lot of (if not most) independent escorts in the US ask for this information. Unlike Canada, they are facing criminal charges if found out, so they often ask for real name and employment information to verify you are not LE.

 

[jjinvan]

Better give her a photocopy of both sides of all your credit cards too...

Maybe she has a cousin in nigeria who is trying to get $10 million out of the country and you can help her with that, too.

 

[CalgaryPooner]

Better give her a photocopy of both sides of all your credit cards too...

Maybe she has a cousin in nigeria who is trying to get $10 million out of the country and you can help her with that, too.

Exactly! Sounds like the Seattle treatment I got was a bit more to be expected. Perhaps this Classy Angel is originally from the US or something and simply paranoid about cops or something. Either way, I doubt she gets any business from any one with more than an IQ to bark as you have to be canine intelligence to start passing up that kind of information to a hooker if you ask me. I don't give my best buds my banking information so I know I won't to a hooker!

 

[Annalise Lane]

there are services in the US that offer security for both the lady and the gentleman.

http://www.roomservice2000.com/

http://www.preferred411.com/

While in Canada it is not elligal to provide service nor is it elligal to hire, it is elligal to offer incall. However, most cities have bylaws against our business. There are some cities that licence independent ladies, the few I know are Edmonton, Victoria, Winsor Other cities like Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal turn a blind eye to our activities.

Asking for id along with your drivers licence and business card is standard practice in the US, because the laws are so strict. If a Canadian lady is asking for these things, it's likely because she is more concerned for her saftey then yours. Which I would think only makes sense.

For me when I travel to Calgary as a good example I ask for referrences, because not only does LE have a huge interest in what us ladies are doing, so do the local gals. It decreases my no-shows, so I can do more then sit in front of my computer or be chained to my phone for possible bookings.

When I travel to Lloydminster - I also ask what kind of employment a gentlemans has; and clarify I dont care where he works just occupation. Depending on how fast he answers determines what I offer: incall or outcall.

Seems you boys only want to fuss over the little things and not see the bigger picture. We ladies are in a risky business and without some kind of security I'm not sure how some ladies do it. Well, I guess hiring security would be cool but then you all would complain about someone in the other room. OH and the gals rates would increase to pay the sercurity.... lol Curious if there is anything that makes you happy ?

But I guess it goes to say ... if you dont like the way she runs her business then dont see her, kinda the same pholiphy with rates.

 

[Annalise Lane]

Exactly! Sounds like the Seattle treatment I got was a bit more to be expected. Perhaps this Classy Angel is originally from the US or something and simply paranoid about cops or something. Either way, I doubt she gets any business from any one with more than an IQ to bark as you have to be canine intelligence to start passing up that kind of information to a hooker if you ask me. I don`t give my best buds my banking information so I know I won`t to a hooker!

I see your classy too - nice - but I guess being told by a HOOKER just means NOTHING to you !!! We`re not humans - we`re meat ... We`re not humans - we`re warm wet holes for Your enjoyment.

Good God tiger have some respect.

hahahaha

From my brief time here I see many of the attacks by hookers against guys and in particular newer guys to the https://perb.cc. While I guess there is a general feeling most guys like the hookers being here, what is up with not sticking up with your bros when they are getting ragged on?

On the whole moderation thing, the only other board I am involved with is a board that deals with automobiles and I have been an on and off again moderator for one of the full time guys when he goes on vacation. Even on that board where you would think the behaviour would be a little less low brow than guys talking hookers, rules and bannings and timeouts are still required. Something about people getting behind a keyboard and acting a lot more aggressive than if they were in the room face to face with the person.

From what I can see on this board, the moderation appears extremely well done. Only thing I notice is hooker seem to get a bit of free reign to attack guys here an in the personal messages (yes, I have read them but very unladylike language of a few!) but then again I am probably biased being a guy!

hooker, ho, whore, prostitute; you`re missing a few words - just trying to help you broaden your vocabulary.

 

[CalgaryPooner]

I see your classy too - nice - but I guess being told by a HOOKER just means NOTHING to you !!! We're not humans - we're meat ... We're not humans - we're warm wet holes for Your enjoyment.

Good God tiger have some respect.

hahahaha

Geez, what is it with some people. I didn't event the term, OK? I hate all this PC shit with SP and such, but I simply mean I wouldn't give my bank information to my buddies so why to a complete stranger who is in a business that doesn't exactly exude ethics at times. If you are that sensitive about what you do then don't blame others for your decisions.

 

[Annalise Lane]

Geez, what is it with some people. I didn't event the term, OK? I hate all this PC shit with SP and such, but I simply mean I wouldn't give my bank information to my buddies so why to a complete stranger who is in a business that doesn't exactly exude ethics at times. If you are that sensitive about what you do then don't blame others for your decisions.

lol I'm not offended by the word and I absolutely love sport sex with strangers - it's the fact you are unaware of other terms to discribe US.

If you are that sensitive about what you do then don't blame others for your decisions.

Where the hell do you get that from ? for fucks sake !! ( oh no I used an un-lady like word; bad me )

 

[Thais]

Either way, I doubt she gets any business from any one with more than an IQ to bark as you have to be canine intelligence to start passing up that kind of information to a hooker if you ask me. I don't give my best buds my banking information so I know I won't to a hooker!

Hmm...
I have seen many companions who charge significantly more than average in their area and demand 20% deposit IN ADDITION to the screening info. Contrary to your opinion, those women prosper, as evidenced by the fact that most of them tend to raise rather than lower their rates over time.

And gentlemen who can afford and choose to see them are hardly idiots because most of them are self-made rather than born to rich parents.
So may be life is a bit more complicated than you think...

 

[JustCallMeR]

Just to try and bring some balance back into this...

Yes Calgary Pooner, you were out of line with your language.

Yes Annalise, of course you have a right to take reasonable steps to be safe.

All sides want to be safe (within what's reasonably possible). Giving out personal banking information is NOT safe.

However, it's important to note that we don't know what really went on between the two of them. While I don't know Classy Angel (at least I don't think so, I've been around way TOO long...), I have my doubts as to whether she really asked for that information. Unless she was uncomfortable and was trying to blow him out? But that's purely a guess...

Can you imagine what would happen to business if such requests really did become the norm?!!!

 

[westwoody]

Exactly what kind of banking information did she request? The name of your bank and your account numbers or some kind of credit card information? Or perhaps a fax of your monthly statement from your banker/broker?
I am curious how the American girls think asking for a driver's license is going to protect them from being busted. Do they think an undercover cop on a sting operation is going to use his real name and ID? If anybody could cough up a bogus driver's license it is going to be the police. This is like those girls on Seymour who ask you if you are a cop because they are too stupid to imagine that an undercover might not tell them he is a cop.

 

[Irresistible Isabelle]

However, it's important to note that we don't know what really went on between the two of them. While I don't know Classy Angel (at least I don't think so, I've been around way TOO long...), I have my doubts as to whether she really asked for that information. Unless she was uncomfortable and was trying to blow him out? But that's purely a guess...

I checked out her site a while ago and if I recall correctly she takes CC's and paypal so perhaps the info she requested related to that. If it's a straight transfer of money maybe she needs some basic banking info to keep track of who paid what.

I find it incredibly ironic that the people who protest the MOST over our desire for information are the ones who usually have the least to lose (modest to moderate income... mostly worried about drama if the wife finds out and takes 1/2). ALL of my high end clients have been very up front about who they are, even providing me with links to their businesses and true names.

I saw a VERY conservative politician one time and even he gave me his real name and said I could Google him if I wanted. I did later out of curiosity and yup, it was him all right. I asked him why he was so up front about who he is and he said he only sees women who are discrete enough that they have a lot to lose by revealing his indiscretion. Most of the time when an escort or stripper comes forward to out a politician or celebrity they are instant fodder for tabloids and WHO in their right mind would want their little old granny picking up the Inquirer and finding out that their sweet innocent granddaughter is an escort?

Reputation is everything in this industry and it pays very well to be a discrete professional.

 

[Lady Companion]

Calgary Pooner.....that is a blatant lie.

I don't know what your hate-on for me is truly about, but I have NEVER requested banking information from anybody at anytime. This is not the first time you have made such allegations in a public manner about me, and it's growing a little old. It's a blatant attempt to get a little following of other posters to trash me on whatever else may fall into the mix. I challenge you to provide a little more detail as to what actually transpired - as anybody who has ever dealt with me knows that I maintain discretion at the highest levels. I am rather interested to know what you are getting out of such a ludicrous accusation followed by a comment alluding to potential blackmail of gentlemen. This character attack is not only defamation, it is also libel, as it is untrue in it's entirety.

Here are the 'personal details' I may require for Canadian visits.

I will require full name for outcalls. In case you didn't realize, no reasonable hotel will put a call through to a guest without a full name. I require more stringent screening for travel engagements, especially to foreign countries, but it really doesn't seem as though that was what you were after. Even for extended travel, I still have absolutely no want or need for personal financial details.

I do require deposits for a number of dates (anything involving travel, all engagements longer than 4 hours, all engagements while touring, or yes, if you somehow sound like you are a jackass that may stand me up). This is always done through a third party - specifically because I DON'T want your credit card information or any sort of personal financial information.

In defense of the lady you contacted in Seattle - full name and verifiable work information or references for other established independent ladies are the norm for reasons we are fortunate enough not to have to worry about in Canada. Everybody has their own comfort level regarding which information they are comfortable providing, and how much detail they require on a potential guest. If you aren't comfortable with it,move onto somebody who better fits your needs. I would imagine that anybody with an established reputation would refrain from ever doing anything dodgy which could compromise their standing.

Indy Isabelle is correct. There are a plethora of gentlemen out there who are quite capable of reading people and trusting enough of us to provide far more information than we request simply to ensure we are comfortable. They wouldn't book with us to begin with if they didn't feel we would maintain the utmost of discretion. Those with a good understanding of how this industry works on various levels will realize that there are all sorts of screening methods in place, and in many location they are far more stringent than what takes place in Canada. I have yet to hear of any incident where an established lady compromised the trust or discretion of a gentleman by disclosing or threatening to disclose any information.

 

[JustCallMeR]

Well that settles that!

 

[TheRater]

I will require full name for outcalls. In case you didn't realize, no reasonable hotel will put a call through to a guest without a full name.

I have quite often provided this. In Europe is is more common as well.

I require more stringent screening for travel engagements, especially to foreign countries, but it really doesn't seem as though that was what you were after. Even for extended travel, I still have absolutely no want or need for personal financial details.

Some of the best non-sex times I have had with a woman are while planning a trip together, often going to a travel specialist together, even going out for dinner to plan an itinerary while traveling. Even then, the most I have ever been asked is to confirm that my name I am using with them is the same as on my passport.

I do require deposits for a number of dates (anything involving travel, all engagements longer than 4 hours, all engagements while touring, or yes, if you somehow sound like you are a jackass that may stand me up).

Anyone who has ever booked a long arrangement or trip with a companion is aware of this.

While I hate to generalise, the preceeding requirements always seem to be objected to by those who, as stated above, has the least to lose.

- TR

 

[CalgaryPooner]

I don't know what your hate-on for me is truly about, but I have NEVER requested banking information from anybody at anytime. This is not the first time you have made such allegations in a public manner about me, and it's growing a little old. It's a blatant attempt to get a little following of other posters to trash me on whatever else may fall into the mix. I challenge you to provide a little more detail as to what actually transpired - as anybody who has ever dealt with me knows that I maintain discretion at the highest levels. I am rather interested to know what you are getting out of such a ludicrous accusation followed by a comment alluding to potential blackmail of gentlemen. This character attack is not only defamation, it is also libel, as it is untrue in it's entirety.

Here are the 'personal details' I may require for Canadian visits.

I will require full name for outcalls. In case you didn't realize, no reasonable hotel will put a call through to a guest without a full name. I require more stringent screening for travel engagements, especially to foreign countries, but it really doesn't seem as though that was what you were after. Even for extended travel, I still have absolutely no want or need for personal financial details.

I do require deposits for a number of dates (anything involving travel, all engagements longer than 4 hours, all engagements while touring, or yes, if you somehow sound like you are a jackass that may stand me up). This is always done through a third party - specifically because I DON'T want your credit card information or any sort of personal financial information.

In defense of the lady you contacted in Seattle - full name and verifiable work information or references for other established independent ladies are the norm for reasons we are fortunate enough not to have to worry about in Canada. Everybody has their own comfort level regarding which information they are comfortable providing, and how much detail they require on a potential guest. If you aren't comfortable with it,move onto somebody who better fits your needs. I would imagine that anybody with an established reputation would refrain from ever doing anything dodgy which could compromise their standing.

Indy Isabelle is correct. There are a plethora of gentlemen out there who are quite capable of reading people and trusting enough of us to provide far more information than we request simply to ensure we are comfortable. They wouldn't book with us to begin with if they didn't feel we would maintain the utmost of discretion. Those with a good understanding of how this industry works on various levels will realize that there are all sorts of screening methods in place, and in many location they are far more stringent than what takes place in Canada. I have yet to hear of any incident where an established lady compromised the trust or discretion of a gentleman by disclosing or threatening to disclose any information.

Lady, sure you are 100% correct. I made it all up as I have a hate for you. Yup, you got me.

I am not going to give you any more information about me but will say I talked to you both by e-mail and by telephone and it was on the latter when you made the request. Deny it and perhaps I creeped you out and you wanted to blow me off but I know what I was told.

I have nothing against you, I just don't agree with your business practices. Clearly you didn't want to see me anyway so let's say you get over yourself and I will resist the temptation to post all you sent me and told me as it is not flattering for you in my opinion. Why is it "so that's that" when you say it is and I am the liar?

I even tried to find a review of you here and cannot so clearly Perb is not your type of place anyway. Or perhaps no one ever sees you. Whatever, get over yourself as I certainly have.

Sorry I even brought it up. It is, however, 100% accurate.