North American Union

[Cali Scott]

The topic of an emerging North American Union is starting to get more notice down here with certain legislators attempting to cut it off from the realm of possibility before it gains more of a foothold. Have many of you in Canada heard about what is going on in this regard? Any attempt to stop it? How would you feel about such a thing?

For more info, check out http://stopspp.com/ or google "North American Union", "NAFTA Superhighway", "Security and Prosperity Partnership" or the U.S. Government's website WWW.SPP.gov (which doesn't really tell you too much).

 

[MissingOne]

The topic of an emerging North American Union is starting to get more notice down here with certain legislators attempting to cut it off from the realm of possibility before it gains more of a foothold. Have many of you heard about what is going on in this regard?

It doesn't seem to be on the political radar here. I can't imagine it gaining much traction in Canada.

 

[georgebushmoron]

I doubt it will ever happen. As much as Canadians and Americans are very similar, there are some big differences culturally speaking. I'd like for people to flesh out these differences in a discussion. It would be really interesting (provided some thought is put into it).

The only way it might happen is if something terribly catastrophic occurred to both countries, something much worse than 9/11.... like a nuke attack.

 

[Cali Scott]

I doubt it will ever happen. As much as Canadians and Americans are very similar, there are some big differences culturally speaking. I'd like for people to flesh out these differences in a discussion. It would be really interesting (provided some thought is put into it).

The only way it might happen is if something terribly catastrophic occurred to both countries, something much worse than 9/11.... like a nuke attack.

It appears to be happening and completely bypassing our legislative body here in the U.S. I don't think that we get to vote on this one. What they are taking steps towards is a union of Canada, Mexico and America.

You're probably right though, it'd take another attack to rally people behind it.
I don't think that the coming collapse of the Dollar will be enough.

I'm sure that Canadians would like it just about as much as I would like to merge with my neighbors to the south of the U.S.

 

[SilkyJohnson]

http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/north_american_union_superstate_docss.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/021006Union.htm

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/february2007/120207_b_Scam.htm

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=freedom+to+fascism

http://mrspickles.wordpress.com/200...nion-highway-has-texas-candidates-up-in-arms/

http://infowars.net/articles/february2007/160207mistake.htm

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/videos.html

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000902;p=0

http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14590&whichpage=7

HOW GOOD DOES THAT SOUND, fucking sheeple have no clue do u

 

[BigBlue]

I had to do a little prefunctory "googling"...Here's my take off the top of head :
There is NO way the United States would surrender even an inch of it's sovereignty. At best, Canada and Mexico would become "junior partners" to the U.S. As sovereign nations, I can't see how either Mexico or Canada would be any more eager than the U.S. to relinquish any power.
There is NO way the United States will let down it's guard on it's southern border (I think....I'm rethinking as I type....there is already a de facto flood of Mexican labor...hmm....)
The real goal of American interest in a so-called "North American Union" is to get Canada to smarten up and tighten it's border security. I have a broad sense from watching the news up hear that America views it's northern border as the back door unlocked, with every hobo and undesirable wandering in and rifling through the larder and the underwear drawers.
I know there are huge holes in my comments...feel free to critique.

 

[Cali Scott]

I had to do a little prefunctory "googling"...Here's my take off the top of head :
There is NO way the United States would surrender even an inch of it's sovereignty. At best, Canada and Mexico would become "junior partners" to the U.S. As sovereign nations, I can't see how either Mexico or Canada would be any more eager than the U.S. to relinquish any power.
There is NO way the United States will let down it's guard on it's southern border (I think....I'm rethinking as I type....there is already a de facto flood of Mexican labor...hmm....)
The real goal of American interest in a so-called "North American Union" is to get Canada to smarten up and tighten it's border security. I have a broad sense from watching the news up hear that America views it's northern border as the back door unlocked, with every hobo and undesirable wandering in and rifling through the larder and the underwear drawers.
I know there are huge holes in my comments...feel free to critique.

I DEFINITELY would not wish to lose my sovereignty.

Regarding Mexico, if they opened the borders like that, there probably wouldn't be many Mexicans left in that country! Yes, there is a De Facto flood of labor AND an ignoring of laws requiring repatriation of the illegal immigrants. Also, no push to shut off the flow.

Right now, they are "Harmonizing" the laws in all three countries. Mexico has received permission to build an Customs and Immigration station in, of all places, Kansas City, Missouri! The NAFTA superhighway IS approved and coming. I think that the highway will be the binding force.

I don't want to lose my sovereignty and as much as I hate to admit it, there ARE benefits to the economy (or to the corporations). What bugs the crap outta me is that this IS happening, as I type this and hardly anyone knows and the people have not been asked what they feel about iut. Big business is diong this without the pervue of congress or the legislation in any of the effected countries.

Remember the E.U.: Despite many cries of protest and the failure to ratify a constitution, it occured anyway. You can look back over 40 or 50 years of European history and see how there were a series of small steps that led to the E.U.

It's all happening again, right now. I thought that something like this was coming and told many of my friends back when NAFTA was initially proposed.

 

[therealrex]

Never mind the Nafta superhighway what about the Mexi-Canadian Overpass?
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27842

 

[Avery]

Never mind the Nafta superhighway what about the Mexi-Canadian Overpass?
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27842

LOL! I think I'll drive to Guadalupe tomorrow to see the Virgin Mary.

 

[SilkyJohnson]

*cough* one world government *cough* new world order *cough* illuminati

 

[Cali Scott]

LOL! I think I'll drive to Guadalupe tomorrow to see the Virgin Mary.

Go ahead and laugh! Actually, the NAFTA superhighway is what they're lampooning there although, It'll go to Baja, not Guadalupe. You can read about it on the Texas Department of Transportation's website amongst many other places . A company from Spain (Cintra Concessions de Infrastructures de Transporte, SA) will own it and charge a toll. It will be built by Texans (Zachry Construction) and probably entail the largest landgrab under "eminent domain" ever (1600 miles x 1200 plus feet) and displace thousands of people.

It *IS* a real highway. I-69 will go from the Texas Border straight on through to Kansas City, MO. There will be a spur from there that goes on to Winnipeg. They are building a new Super-Port in Baja California named Lazaro Cardenas where ships from China will offload that will be far larger than the Port of Los Angeles. Mexican truckers will haul cargo containers from Baja to Kansas City From there it can go on to Winnipeg.

It is to be a 1200 foot wide superhighway with separate corridors for Trucks and trains. Oil & gas pipelines will run along the side.

*cough* one world government *cough* new world order *cough* illuminati

Well, there will be a one world Gov't eventually. First, there will be regional trading blocks. The E.U. and then the NAU.
Illuminati? Who knows. The Council of Foreign relations (CFR)? For sure! Take a look at their 59 page bluprint report entitled "Building a North American Community" http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/ Look on page 3 at who has written it: "Sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations with the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and the Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internacionales". Believing in a New World Order yet?

Your former c*cksuck*r Paul Martin and our current c*cksuck*r as well as Vicente Fox planned to implement it back in 2005 in Waco ( Crawford Ranch) Texas.

 

[Cali Scott]

the over pass to mexico is perfect and with a big fukking fence on the 49th. to keep the war mongers out.
mexico yes , yanks no!!

Obviously, you haven't lived around Mexicans! Unfortunately, I do, THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of 'em. At least the war mongers would respect and assimilate into society!

You can purchase their fine food with your new "Amero's"

 

[littlejimbigher]

I doubt it will ever happen. As much as Canadians and Americans are very similar, there are some big differences culturally speaking. .

More different than Europe?

 

[SilkyJohnson]

imagine how many ppl they can "relocate" during an "emergency" on a 1200foot wide superhighway.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terror+storm

 

[mick_eight]

The mexs will never come to canada in any great numbers, too fffin cold, if they do they'll be gone after one winter, remember all the jobs are in alberta, brrrrr.

 

[smackyo]

I had to do a little prefunctory "googling"...Here's my take off the top of head :
There is NO way the United States would surrender even an inch of it's sovereignty. At best, Canada and Mexico would become "junior partners" to the U.S. As sovereign nations, I can't see how either Mexico or Canada would be any more eager than the U.S. to relinquish any power.
There is NO way the United States will let down it's guard on it's southern border (I think....I'm rethinking as I type....there is already a de facto flood of Mexican labor...hmm....)
The real goal of American interest in a so-called "North American Union" is to get Canada to smarten up and tighten it's border security. I have a broad sense from watching the news up hear that America views it's northern border as the back door unlocked, with every hobo and undesirable wandering in and rifling through the larder and the underwear drawers.
I know there are huge holes in my comments...feel free to critique.

you know border security goes both ways right? everytime i've crossed the u.s. border it was americans scutinizing my entry to their country. the "blame canada" excuse for border security is bullshit.

 

[myselftheother]

you know border security goes both ways right? everytime i've crossed the u.s. border it was americans scutinizing my entry to their country. the "blame canada" excuse for border security is bullshit.

That's right... it isn't Canadian Immigration officials wroking the border into the states, it's the US border butthead, er, I mean, officials...typical that they even got that wrong. I'd rather be dead than share a super-country with those who dwell between Canada and Mexico...

 

[Cali Scott]

obviously you dont know shit...
i live in mexico for 4-5 months a year. and i fly over the assholes inbetween us. the war mongers dont assimilate ful all except try to ram their way of life on other nations....a big fence north and south to keep you guys out is great.

I see, you live in Mexico 4-5 months a year; what on earth does that have to do with mexicans assimilating into any other north American society? IOW, you're in THEIR society bud- what are you talking about? Try coming to someplace overrun by that culture. All I am saying as it relates to this topic is, the Mexican culture is one of a far more different mindset or worldview than that or Canada or are America are from one another.

Regarding war mongers: do you assume that all Americans support this idiot whom the puppet masters put into place via two stolen elections? There are a lot of idiots here just as there are in Canada Do you think that Canada is immune to the control of these same puppet masters? It is merely that Canada's role for the moment, is a different one. Anyway, the point is that all Americans do not support the war and some, including myself have predicted from the git-go that Iraq would turn into its present pile of shit. Now, there's noise that we might attack Iran. This shit is why I own a house right outside Vancouver.

This transition to a regional trading bloc will hapen regardless of what either (or any) of us feel about it. It will be probably be very slow, perhaps 25 - 30 years to give them time to inculcate everyone so they accept it (unless there is an outside factor that speeds things along). This "Harmonizing of laws and regulations" and Super highway are the second and third steps along the path (with NAFTA being step #1) " It's handy that they have this middle east BS to distract everyone with right now so they're crankin' away behind the scenes.

Remember, the individual states here in America were once basically seperate countries both legally and in the resident's mindset; it was basically a federation of countries. Now, you drive along and you're in Arizona, no big deal. By 2025, North America will be like that legally and 10 - 20 years later, your grand-kids will forget to even notice.

A common North American currency will come much sooner, I think within 10 years.

That's right... it isn't Canadian Immigration officials wroking the border into the states, it's the US border butthead, er, I mean, officials...typical that they even got that wrong. I'd rather be dead than share a super-country with those who dwell between Canada and Mexico...

In America, the "Authorities" forget who they work for and they're rude as f*ck to us too. They particularly hate me 'cause I call them on it. It's harder now after 9/11 though. I love dealing with Vancouver PD or the RCMP up there because in contrast, they are mindful and respectful of your rights as sovereign individual.

Many Americans are pretentious and arrogant. Sorry I REALLY wish that I could do something about that. Perhaps when I acheive the status of demi-god... However for now, please realize that many of us are just as civil as Canadians, there are just a lot more people here and consequently, alot more assholes!

 

[Cali Scott]

you know border security goes both ways right? everytime i've crossed the u.s. border it was americans scutinizing my entry to their country. the "blame canada" excuse for border security is bullshit.

Actually, it's gotten a LOT harder to gain entry to Canada, starting recently. Now, Customs Canada has even more access to criminal records and are turning away people for marijuana possesion offenses that took place in the 70's. A little extreme but it's the policy so they're now at parity with the American's in this regard.

I agree that it's bullshit though Smackyo. Especially when you consider just how porous our southern border is.