My experience & thoughts...BBBJ vs CBJ

[lenny]

Personally I find oral more enjoyable without a sheet of rubber in the way

I used to think so, too, so always got a BBBJ, except for the few times
when a cover was insisted upon. For some reason my opinion has
changed, and now i doubt if there is any significant difference in my
experiences between the two.

I am wondering if it was just in my head, psychologicly, like a placebo,
that it felt better w/o. If a BBBJ is more pleasurable than a CBJ, then
should not vaginal intercourse be prefered w/o the rubber? I would
think so, but is it really?

Certainly a ladies' mouth being directly on my dick head is a mental
visual turn on. Aside from that i am not sure the sensation is improved.
In fact, in cases where her teeth get too involved, it may be preferable
with a cover. Likewise it is concievable that certain types of condoms,
e.g. ribbed, may add pleasure that the female mouth cannot provide.
We might also consider the rush/worry of risking an STD with a BBBJ
vs the STD free/stress free CBJ, and how these factors may increase
or decrease the enjoyment in recieving a BJ. Of course this may vary
from person to person, & even from day to day.

BTW, it has been suggested here on PERB that adding a few drops of
lube to the head inside the condom and/or using a certain japanese
cover can improve the CBJ experience. I find that a simultaneous
hand massage of the balls & bum makes the BJ much more heavenly.

Another thing i should relate is that in my appointments i seldom ask
for a BJ until i am at a point where i could cum/ejaculate if i wanted to.
That is, within a few minutes of the start of the BJ, as i generally start
with a HJ or BLS or both. The BJ is often reserved for the grand finale
at the end of a session.

Now i always require the condom, although many BBBJ's never gifted
me with an STD. Not that i am aware of, at least, have i ever had one,
in years of Pigeon Park Pooning.

 

[Miss Laura Lea]

There are these new LifeStyles condoms, one bright pink and one green packaging that are awesome for CBJ (although they are not flavored)
Green = natural fitting
Pink = Natural feeling

I havn't tried the pink one on anyone yet, only the green but I will certainly give a review of them from an SP perspective when i use one!
In regards to the green one, if you add warmed up lube (put the bottle in hot water) then its perfect. I have also used the japanese type, and they work nicely as well

 

[LaCreme]

hello.. in here Montreal the Real Capital of sex of north America we sell those Japanease condom.. name KIMONO.

 

[Avery]

hello.. in here Montreal the Real Capital of sex of north America we sell those Japanease condom.. name KIMONO.

Yes, but almost all SPs provide BBBJ. They don't even ask; they just presume the client doesn't want CBJ, and that's usually correct. The fact that full GFE services are so widely available is one of the main reasons why Montreal is the sex capital of North America.

 

[bcflyer]

Yes, but almost all SPs provide BBBJ. They don't even ask; they just presume the client doesn't want CBJ, and that's usually correct. The fact that full GFE services are so widely available is one of the main reasons why Montreal is the sex capital of North America.

According to the attitudes of some on this board, with all the BBBJ's going on there, Montreal must be the most disease ridden city in Canada!!

 

[wilde]

The fact that full GFE services are so widely available is one of the main reasons why Montreal is the sex capital of North America.

Yeah that, price, quality and quantity are top notch as well.

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[threepeat]

Yup. BBBJ, LFK, FS by hot girls for $180/hour. Yet another reason to love Montreal.

 

[Avery]

According to the attitudes of some on this board, with all the BBBJ's going on there, Montreal must be the most disease ridden city in Canada!!

Not at all! There's no breakdown of statistics for SPs and their clients, but STI rates in Quebec are significantly lower than the Canadian average, and WAY lower than the rates in BC.

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/std-mts/stdcases-casmts/index.html

 

[HeMadeMeDoIt]

I am wondering if it was just in my head, psychologicly, like a placebo,
that it felt better w/o. If a BBBJ is more pleasurable than a CBJ, then
should not vaginal intercourse be prefered w/o the rubber? I would
think so, but is it really?

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Of course bareback fucking is more pleasurable and I am sure we all prefer it and do it with our SO's. Having said that the risks make it out of the question when you're banging hookers who you dont even know what their real names are.

 

[jjinvan]

Not at all! There's no breakdown of statistics for SPs and their clients, but STI rates in Quebec are significantly lower than the Canadian average, and WAY lower than the rates in BC.

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/std-mts/stdcases-casmts/index.html

Careful, or they'll trot out the 'R' word on ya.

 

[therealrex]

I've found that not getting a blowjob at all now feels better to me than bbbj

 

[jjinvan]

I've found that not getting a blowjob at all now feels better to me than bbbj

Did you get married?

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

Careful, or they'll trot out the 'R' word on ya.

JJ, the only reason people give you a hard time about the "r" word is that most of your initial posts when you aren't saving the handicapped, dispensing medical facts that can be found on the internet, curing AIDS, doing social heart warming pro bono work in third world countries, offering legal advice all the while working as a doctor in the ER, is when you are doing case studies on race relations and domestic abuse as well as posting consistently on PERB and other forums like it. It's like you are accidenteley racist.

Do I think you are racist? "No", but people wonder why you throw in groundless generalizations based on your freak observations.

 

[LaCreme]

Yes, but almost all SPs provide BBBJ. They don't even ask; they just presume the client doesn't want CBJ, and that's usually correct. The fact that full GFE services are so widely available is one of the main reasons why Montreal is the sex capital of North America.

humm i am list as open-mind. not as GFE sorry guys!!
in MP and around the aria since i am 18 yrs i use Condom as protection..
i was raise in the foster home they where teaching young lady in here Montreal to put a condom because they knew what is going to happen to us..

Maybe the new generation do GFE .. but i am**Old FAshion when it come to my health. maybe i had 10, XXX guys in those i had 2 times GFE with a client. one in Montreal when i was doing a porn casting, and one in Vancouver because i believe the was clean and cute and adorable and sweet and he has a huge one and ahhhhhhhhhhhh Nicolas Cage type of men long leg and**and nice clean toes ahhh more and more .. and i do count them in one hand those i did GFE>> ..

if you go down town Montreal in MP don't expect GFE.."Massage Plus".
maybe some agency do it.. but i don't work for those.

**MP used to be my place. no kiss, no GFE only real safe-sex!
and tests every 3 months. this is how they work here..

 

[Thais]

Not at all! There's no breakdown of statistics for SPs and their clients, but STI rates in Quebec are significantly lower than the Canadian average, and WAY lower than the rates in BC.

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/std-mts/stdcases-casmts/index.html

This was some surprising statistics.
They quote both the number of cases (can be misleading) and the rates per 100 people - it's those I was really looking at.

The main question I have after, would the stats on people engaged in pay-for-play be different to any extent? Not that there is a valid way to measure that...
What determines such unbelievably high rates of STDs in certain provinces? What is the distribution of STDs within a province - i.e. are those relatively uniform or are there outliers?

Because there is statistics across whole population. And you can't argue with it. But there is also the fact that increased exposure through number of partners or unprotected activities increases your chances of contracting an STD - and it's hard to argue with that fact either. And one has to be careful in applying such general statistical results to their particular situations.

But the two may be reconciled by searching for more information and evaluating causes and correlations.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

What I think a lot of ppl seem to forget, is that opting for CBJ is also not full proof. And that thinking the risks are non-existent with CBJ, is foolish and ignorant. There are STIs that can still be transmitted whether or not a condom is used, skin on skin is all it takes and that's hard to avoid completely.

Also, that is NOT the only factor that determines how at risk any particular person is of having/transmitting an STI.

- You do not know what a person does with other clients (you have no idea if this client or anyone he's seen have taken risks you wouldn't).
- You do not know what a person does in their personal life - it may or may not be as safe.
- You do not know how often this person gets tested and how serious and responsible they are about this.
- You do not know how many clients they see. Logically, the more active a person is, the greater the risks. So obviously a busier escort means the risks are increased.

All of these are about probability of something happening..but it really comes down to being pretty random and there are way more than I just listed..There are certainly ways to minimize the risks. But all of this needs to be taken into consideration when establishing what your personal tolerance for risk is. There is no way (besides abstinence) that is full proof, so we all accept some type or level of risk.

So that's why I'm so sick of having this issue brought up.
What especially gets me is some of the self righteous and condescending comments that always pop up when BBBJ is brought up. I'm not talking about this thread but there are a few ppl who seem to jump on any thread and feel obliged to repeat the same harsh comments about those providing or receiving BBBJ while patting themselves on the back for their choice. To me, this only displays how ignorant and plain stupid these ppl are for completely disregarding all other variances that influence and determine the actual risk factor of any type of contact.


Tell me this. If you had all this info and had to choose based on risk level, who would you feel safer seeing??

- A busy SP who rarely gets tested, that provides CBJ when escorting but that has a regular partner (to whom BBBJ may or may not be provided) who happens to cheat on her without her knowing and is unsafe when cheating?
Or
- An SP who provides BBBJ, sees few clients, always gets tested regularly and has a partner who does not cheat on her?

The point is that you have no way of knowing most of this about the person you're getting naked with.. so how can anyone feel entitled to point fingers at others while praising themselves and thinking they are invincible?
Yes, ignorance and stupidity. That is one of the biggest risk factors, really.


But even then, it still doesn't mean anything. Someone can stick to CBJ (personal life and escorting), get tested regularly, see few clients, and so on... and STILL meet that ONE person who unfortunately hasn't been as safe AND end up with an STI as result of skin to skin contact.

I was shocked more than once to hear gentlemen tell me they'd actually never been tested - even after years of pooning. I'm not sure how they justified it. Maybe some men rely on sp's to do regular testing and don't see it as their responisibility as well.. I don't know. Maybe some kind of magical thinking?..


There will never be any way of being 100% safe or certain that there are no risks. If you can't deal with that, this is clearly not the lifestyle for you.

 

[LaCreme]

hey miss bijou you make lots of sence i wish all Sp were like you ha ha it sound like me...
i believe all sp and pooner must be educate on this fragile topic..
and take off the sp whore reputation too because is a big difference between a dick-sucker and a plastic-sucker

 

[Avery]

...that's why I'm so sick of having this issue brought up.

What especially gets me is some of the self righteous and condescending comments that always pop up when BBBJ is brought up. I'm not talking about this thread but there are a few ppl who seem to jump on any thread and feel obliged to repeat the same harsh comments about those providing or receiving BBBJ while patting themselves on the back for their choice. To me, this only displays how ignorant and plain stupid these ppl are for completely disregarding all other variances that influence and determine the actual risk factor of any type of contact.

That's exactly right, and it's why I'm also sick of it being brought up. I detected such a note in bcflyer's post, otherwise I'd have let it go. It was an uninformed comment that was easy to refute by spending 10 seconds on Google to turn up the stats.

 

[LaCreme]

Oh my i had to change post #18 ..because i had to put it more clear

 

[lenny]

What I think a lot of ppl seem to forget, is that opting for CBJ is also not full proof. And that thinking the risks are non-existent with CBJ, is foolish and ignorant. There are STIs that can still be transmitted whether or not a condom is used, skin on skin is all it takes and that's hard to avoid completely.

Good points. For me personally i like it on & near the head, but may forget
to tell her that. Then she may go deep throat beyond the covering of the
condom and reach my skin. I also need to keep an eye on the hat so that
it doesn't slide up too far.

More of a concern for me is the breaking of the rubber during FS, or it
partially or completely cuming off. In several years i have only had one
or two breaks, but slips are not uncommon. I have learned to check it
periodicly if the intercourse is longlasting. Would a rubber band be good
to hold it in place?