Milking?

[tampdown]

Just wondering...

If anyone has had any experience in "milking" and would like to share.

And.... I'm not talking about the cow variety.

I mean one of three possibilities:

1. The practice of stimulating the male prostate, often with a finger or with an implement such as a dildo, or of stimulating the perineum in such a way as to produce ejaculation without orgasm.

2. The practice of inducing orgasm repeatedly in a man, often by sexually stimulating him over and over, until he is no longer able to produce ejaculate.

3. Stimulating the prostate by means of an electrode built into a dildo or similar probe, inserted into the anus and connected to an electrical stimulation device such as a TENS unit. The electrode causes involuntary contraction of the muscles around the prostate, causing ejaculation without arousal or orgasm.

Cheers,

tampdown

 

[billstar606]

milking?

hi
interesting topic. Milking used to be something that was very common years ago, and then seemed to disappear. It still appears to be more common in the US and there are some ladies that specialise in it.

i think you had the basic milking types outlined. I found that many of the dommes in the US initially provide little or no add on service untill they get to know you. As soon as they know you and you find yourself hinting about some relief or tease and denial it is used in some form. So as to make a point that they can't be manipulated; but certainly understand your thinking, the milking is introduced.

The first type you mentioned has been administed in a very medicinal way. In fact some have donned the nurse outfit for it. Typically there is a process of being required to lay out the glove or gloves and the lube and then acquire the position. Almost always with your chest on a table and legs spread with a chair behind you that she sits in. in many cases you are required to spread your ass cheeks and wait. It is exposing and embaressing and makes one wonder how far they will go to get off. Alot of the process is one of the sub maintaining a positon and being quiet. A paddle or cane can be nearby to reinforse the rule. I say glove or gloves, because many use two. The typical latex type glove used for the insertion. Many have also used a heavy dishwashing glove to stroke, on the other hand; many times not lubbed.

The rules are always to 'not have an accident', with consequences for that; this seems to only make it harder to hold back at those critical moments as it seems the harder you try the harder it is. I have had a milking like this at the beginning of a session; which makes the concept of submission a bit differeent than it is under constant arousal, rather than after being drained of it.

I have also found myself on my back with my ankles on a spreader bar and on a hoist above me, and hands restrained above. Some use a finger but there is a small curved dildo, that is specially made for prostrate massage. finding yourself in this position with the prostrate stimulator and a teasing hand for a couple hours is very mentally draining. many times a gag is used after a while so you have no control. they never seem to under stand that you have had enough with the gag. This really fits the cruel sensual nurse theme

Your second type, the multiple orgasm, was also popular and usually finds you in the position of be careful what you ask for. Again more than an hour is needed to really drain someone. But i found that the techniques of many were again similar. You are teased till the edge, and then just as you are about to cum they stop. you orgasm without any stimulation. just about when you are begging for stimulation, they start playing with your oversensitive head; which is absolute torture and i find it difficult to take without being restrained; 30 seconds of this can drive one crazy. then after a very short break the stroking begins, and it is a sprint to get you there again. you start getting a bit raw and you start thinking i wish i would just cum so this would stop. but again you get to that point ; are taken over the edge; and the head is even more sensitive to the attention it is getting. almost the easier they do it the worse it is. At this point you believe there is no way you can do it again. This is when they pull out one of those big massager vibrators with the industrial style plug that can rattle your teeth.. About part way through you start having a dry cum. They usually laugh and say that you have to give it up if you want to stop. when they are done you won't get hard for a week...well it feels like that anyway. i remember this seemed to be somethig dommes did to insure that you weren't playing with yourself before a session; knowing you might have to perform.

i tried the electrical but it never really did it for me. it never found the spot and the feeling wasn't what was going to get me there. there is one other thing that is sometime used in the process. a penis pump which is an intence suction, but so hard you can't cum.

there used to be a few ladies that specialised in this and went under different names but used the term mastubatrix rather than dominatrix.

anyone else. Again it was very popular 10-15 years ago but not so much anymore

bill

 

[edmontonsubbie]

I think "milking" might be an urban legend...

...but, that's based on my ignorance. I had a Mistress this winter who always wanted to "try" the prostate milking...i.e. the stimulation to ejaculation without any physical pleasure granted to the sub. We both thought that notion to be pretty hot but....never pulled it off...I kinda thought it must be the fault of my faulty prostate...yanno, that whole "self blame" deal.

We did, however, enjoy me in orgasm control and when she would visit...at the end of the visit...she would either pull out my dog dish or put her foot between my legs...and permit to jack myself off into the dish or onto the foot with the proviso that I would clean either of those items perfectly after having done so. That was hot...not really milking...but...pretty cool and humiliating.

eddie.

p.s....pretty cool "recap" of the whole milking deal bill....thanks.

 

[Small pleasures]

My 2 cents...

This is from my own personal experience as a Pro only...my standard answer is that I don't offer milking services.

1. HAND JOB MILKING: I don't give hand jobs. I realize there's a big difference between the type of hand job a fella gets at a rub n' tug and milking (jerked off aggressively and repeatedly while restrained and dominated) but it is still too close for my comfort.

Why don't I give hand jobs? To me, even in a milking scenario, I feel it makes me subservient. I'm getting YOU off instead of you getting yourself off while I'm doing whatever I'm doing (usually pegging you with my strap-on). Fine line, I know. I could increase my business by at least 25% if I just gave hand jobs but the clients who ask for them tend to not get the whole Domme/sub thing and really just want to be jerked off in a different/kinky way than they usually do.

Having said that, I have 1 client I get off by rubbing his cock with a vibe. I make an exception with him because he is very overweight and has trouble reaching his cock. His attitude is also 100% perfect, subservient, respectful and appreciative. So, there are exceptions to every rule.

2. PROSTATE MILKING: One time-wasting goof has ruined it for all others. I used to have a guy who emailed and called me for this. Long emails and phone conversations. Booked and no-showed a few times before I figured out it was the same guy calling and emailing from different places. Now I simply refuse anyone who tries to book prostrate milking because I don't know if it's this guy playing his games again. Too bad because I'm very experienced with anal fisting and could easily offer this service and would enjoy it myself.

I'm not sure where to send those interested in these services. If anyone knows of a Pro Domme that does either of these please share with us here on Perb.

 

[billstar606]

here is a place to look

here is a place to look that is very informative and gives a very good idea of an experience pratitioner. curious as to what other think about this

bill

http://prostatemassage.blogspot.com/

 

[Miss Kittie]

No prior experience...

Butt

I would LOVE to learn.. thanks for the link billstar606! Very informative!

I know what you mean about no shows and creeps like the one you were talking about, Miss T - too damn bad that there is time wasters and trolls like that lurking around!

*evil grin*

 

[tampdown]

hi
interesting topic. Milking used to be something that was very common years ago, and then seemed to disappear. It still appears to be more common in the US and there are some ladies that specialise in it.

i think you had the basic milking types outlined. I found that many of the dommes in the US initially provide little or no add on service untill they get to know you. As soon as they know you and you find yourself hinting about some relief or tease and denial it is used in some form. So as to make a point that they can't be manipulated; but certainly understand your thinking, the milking is introduced.

The first type you mentioned has been administed in a very medicinal way. In fact some have donned the nurse outfit for it. Typically there is a process of being required to lay out the glove or gloves and the lube and then acquire the position. Almost always with your chest on a table and legs spread with a chair behind you that she sits in. in many cases you are required to spread your ass cheeks and wait. It is exposing and embaressing and makes one wonder how far they will go to get off. Alot of the process is one of the sub maintaining a positon and being quiet. A paddle or cane can be nearby to reinforse the rule. I say glove or gloves, because many use two. The typical latex type glove used for the insertion. Many have also used a heavy dishwashing glove to stroke, on the other hand; many times not lubbed.

The rules are always to 'not have an accident', with consequences for that; this seems to only make it harder to hold back at those critical moments as it seems the harder you try the harder it is. I have had a milking like this at the beginning of a session; which makes the concept of submission a bit differeent than it is under constant arousal, rather than after being drained of it.

I have also found myself on my back with my ankles on a spreader bar and on a hoist above me, and hands restrained above. Some use a finger but there is a small curved dildo, that is specially made for prostrate massage. finding yourself in this position with the prostrate stimulator and a teasing hand for a couple hours is very mentally draining. many times a gag is used after a while so you have no control. they never seem to under stand that you have had enough with the gag. This really fits the cruel sensual nurse theme

Your second type, the multiple orgasm, was also popular and usually finds you in the position of be careful what you ask for. Again more than an hour is needed to really drain someone. But i found that the techniques of many were again similar. You are teased till the edge, and then just as you are about to cum they stop. you orgasm without any stimulation. just about when you are begging for stimulation, they start playing with your oversensitive head; which is absolute torture and i find it difficult to take without being restrained; 30 seconds of this can drive one crazy. then after a very short break the stroking begins, and it is a sprint to get you there again. you start getting a bit raw and you start thinking i wish i would just cum so this would stop. but again you get to that point ; are taken over the edge; and the head is even more sensitive to the attention it is getting. almost the easier they do it the worse it is. At this point you believe there is no way you can do it again. This is when they pull out one of those big massager vibrators with the industrial style plug that can rattle your teeth.. About part way through you start having a dry cum. They usually laugh and say that you have to give it up if you want to stop. when they are done you won't get hard for a week...well it feels like that anyway. i remember this seemed to be somethig dommes did to insure that you weren't playing with yourself before a session; knowing you might have to perform.

i tried the electrical but it never really did it for me. it never found the spot and the feeling wasn't what was going to get me there. there is one other thing that is sometime used in the process. a penis pump which is an intence suction, but so hard you can't cum.

there used to be a few ladies that specialised in this and went under different names but used the term mastubatrix rather than dominatrix.

anyone else. Again it was very popular 10-15 years ago but not so much anymore

bill

Hey bill,

Thanks so much for such an informative reply.

The "cruel sensual nurse" theme certainly get my mind racing... especially mixed in with kidnap roleplay.

Cheers,

tamp

 

[tampdown]

This is from my own personal experience as a Pro only...my standard answer is that I don't offer milking services.

1. HAND JOB MILKING: I don't give hand jobs. I realize there's a big difference between the type of hand job a fella gets at a rub n' tug and milking (jerked off aggressively and repeatedly while restrained and dominated) but it is still too close for my comfort.

Why don't I give hand jobs? To me, even in a milking scenario, I feel it makes me subservient. I'm getting YOU off instead of you getting yourself off while I'm doing whatever I'm doing (usually pegging you with my strap-on). Fine line, I know. I could increase my business by at least 25% if I just gave hand jobs but the clients who ask for them tend to not get the whole Domme/sub thing and really just want to be jerked off in a different/kinky way than they usually do.

Having said that, I have 1 client I get off by rubbing his cock with a vibe. I make an exception with him because he is very overweight and has trouble reaching his cock. His attitude is also 100% perfect, subservient, respectful and appreciative. So, there are exceptions to every rule.

2. PROSTATE MILKING: One time-wasting goof has ruined it for all others. I used to have a guy who emailed and called me for this. Long emails and phone conversations. Booked and no-showed a few times before I figured out it was the same guy calling and emailing from different places. Now I simply refuse anyone who tries to book prostrate milking because I don't know if it's this guy playing his games again. Too bad because I'm very experienced with anal fisting and could easily offer this service and would enjoy it myself.

I'm not sure where to send those interested in these services. If anyone knows of a Pro Domme that does either of these please share with us here on Perb.

Mistress T,

Thanks so much for Your response.

So... I guess if I want a handjob as part of a milking session I need to put on a bit more weight.

I can totally understand your reasons for your boundaries... but it seems to me even handjob milking could turn into a really significant experience and exploration of power exchange and surrender.

Bastard goof.

Thanks again for your response.

tamp

 

[tampdown]

...but, that's based on my ignorance. I had a Mistress this winter who always wanted to "try" the prostate milking...i.e. the stimulation to ejaculation without any physical pleasure granted to the sub. We both thought that notion to be pretty hot but....never pulled it off...I kinda thought it must be the fault of my faulty prostate...yanno, that whole "self blame" deal.

We did, however, enjoy me in orgasm control and when she would visit...at the end of the visit...she would either pull out my dog dish or put her foot between my legs...and permit to jack myself off into the dish or onto the foot with the proviso that I would clean either of those items perfectly after having done so. That was hot...not really milking...but...pretty cool and humiliating.

eddie.

p.s....pretty cool "recap" of the whole milking deal bill....thanks.

Eddie,

I hope you went for the foor option.

tamp

 

[billstar606]

Tampdown

Rather than loosing weight; maybe shorter arms will work as well

Bill

 

[Small pleasures]

Wankers

Theres also one who requests extremely severe, no safeword strap on assault who will steal your time.

Yup, I know that one too. Haven't heard from that puke in awhile, he may prey on new gals.

 

[billstar606]

tease and denial

on a somewhat related thread was wondering how far or how intense somone has been taken with a tease and denial session. i always laugh when it is a shorter session because it is difficult to really make it that intense. on the other hand too little tease just isn't worth it. Any thoughs on how to make it really intense

has anyone had an extreme tease and denial session. Any reccomendations?

Bill

 

[afterthought]

re: tease and denial

billstar: Have you read through Miss T's thread on the latex vac bed? I know we all have our own ideas about what qualifies as 'intense,' but that would certainly do it for me...

afterthought

 

[Small pleasures]

Tease

on a somewhat related thread was wondering how far or how intense somone has been taken with a tease and denial session. i always laugh when it is a shorter session because it is difficult to really make it that intense. on the other hand too little tease just isn't worth it. Any thoughs on how to make it really intense

has anyone had an extreme tease and denial session. Any reccomendations?

Bill

Every time a guy calls or emails me questions and doesn't book I get my own quick n' dirty tease & denial session. Okay, kidding, sort of.

Seriously though. Here's some thoughts on the 'giver' side of T & D.

At one time I was a wee bit famous on Perb for my 1 hour voyeur shows where I did a little strip tease, shower show and toy show with lots of dirty talk. The guy sat on a chair next to the bed and wanked while I did my thing. I would say things like:
"I bet you'd love to tongue fuck my sweet little pussy? Cunt juices running down your chin...can you imagine me squeeezing your hard cock deep into my hot little slut hole, riding your cock, taking every inch nice and deep, your balls slapping against me, perky titties bouncing...then slide your cock out and (at this point I would pull the sopping wet dildo out of my pussy and lick it) lick my sweet pussy juices off your cock. Suck your cock until you shoot your load down my throat and I suck every last drop of cum out of your cock..."

I didn't know what tease & denial was back then, I called it a voyeur show. I loved the power I felt by showing and explaining exactly what these guys could not have. I still incorporate it in many of my sessions and I still love it.

 

[Aeiyah]

billstar: Have you read through Miss T's thread on the latex vac bed? I know we all have our own ideas about what qualifies as 'intense,' but that would certainly do it for me...

afterthought

I would want to be the lucky slave rather than reading about it and suffering with a stiffie.

That lucky slave...These pics were taken with his camera. I know how he aches for me, knowing he'll never have me. I know that he jerks off to these pics and thinks of me when he's fucking his wife. I know he'll see this post and his cock will be rock hard and cheeks flushed before he even finishes reading this...

I know the sweet torture I put him through laying my warm body on top of his, grinding my pussy against his cock, in complete darkness I know he imagines what it would be like without the latex between us, sweaty skin on skin, slick, tight pussy squeezing his cock, riding him for my pleasure...

Maybe his isn't the only hard cock right now...?

 

[billstar606]

tease and denial

that latex Vac bed does look interesting but would not be for me, not in to the closed and confinded stuff like that.

on the comments of Ms. T; that is why i usually like to discuss tease and denial. the vouyer thing and word play is fun, but i usually think about being taken to the edge and back a number of times without a happy conclusion. Where one is seriously begging and willing to do a specially humilliating task or a bonus tribute if only...

 

[tampdown]

that latex Vac bed does look interesting but would not be for me, not in to the closed and confinded stuff like that.

Chicken!

tamp

 

[billstar606]

Chicken

Chicken!

tamp

You got that right. But you know us guys, we can be teased into doing anything. A day later we say "why the heck did i do that. I'll never do that again".. A week later its "Uh..hello mistress remember what we did last week...well...."

bill

 

[Small pleasures]

Goes both ways...

You got that right. But you know us guys, we can be teased into doing anything. A day later we say "why the heck did i do that. I'll never do that again".. A week later its "Uh..hello mistress remember what we did last week...well...."

bill

Clients request things I don't think I'd enjoy but try anyway. Often I am surprised at how much I enjoy something in the moment.

Specifically the latex vac bed, I don't like to be confined either but I loved being in the vac bed. I couldn't stop laughing, it was a rush. It helped that I was with people I trusted.

I try to introduce clients to new things as much as possible (samplers I call it) so they know for sure if it's their cup of tea or not. Sometimes the answer is "Nope, didn't dig it." Often they do dig it, or are at least grateful they can cross it off their 'things-to-do-before-I-die' list.

(Disclaimer: I don't shove something in someone's ass who says NO or do anything too extreme without discussion first.)

 

[billstar606]

Ms.T

Clients request things I don't think I'd enjoy but try anyway. Often I am surprised at how much I enjoy something in the moment.

Specifically the latex vac bed, I don't like to be confined either but I loved being in the vac bed. I couldn't stop laughing, it was a rush. It helped that I was with people I trusted.

I try to introduce clients to new things as much as possible (samplers I call it) so they know for sure if it's their cup of tea or not. Sometimes the answer is "Nope, didn't dig it." Often they do dig it, or are at least grateful they can cross it off their 'things-to-do-before-I-die' list.

(Disclaimer: I don't shove something in someone's ass who says NO or do anything too extreme without discussion first.)

Great answer and you are exactly correct..I can't imagine to tell you some of the things i have tried and thought No WAY..It has been the source of some of my greatest fetishes. I find that being honest and talk it through as to what my limitations and fears are and then put my trust in them. but i also believe as a sub that my negotiation is before the session; after that its in your hands and my trust in you.

I have had my arm twisted into trying some things that i didn't think would work, but i had enough trust to say sure lets give it a try. i remember a domme that wanted to do this diaper scene. After my arre you serious i was convinced to give it a try. I couldn't help from laughing. she beat me to get me to take it more seriously and between the tears i tried to; but it just didn't work. we both had a good laugh out of it. the trust was built from the event and we went foward. but this is with someone that i had seen many times. i think when trying something new , with somebody new i like to find some common ground first.

But i must admit your comments should be very comforting to someone that hasn't met you before. i also think that finding some sound of chemistry on a common concept is usually the basis for trying somone new. i guess many subsw that are experienced have alot of history of where they have been and not. i know for example that for many years dommes have had me i various training programs where i don't use my hand to play with myself. it sought of becomes ingrained. so when for example you gave your description of tease and denial, it goes against the grain of where i have been.

good comments