Immunization Shot

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Watching the news and a 12 year old kid, after getting the shot for Covid, said he could now go play with his friends etc.
The misconception here is that even after getting the shot, it will only make the one given the shot immune. (But that person could still be a carrier of Covid) and infect other people.

Another point is that all the shots are only 90-95% effective. Also to be effective, you need 2 shots for one of the "vaccines". And both shots its not 100% effective or guanateed to last. So you might need another shot in a 1 to 2 years time if the shot wears off. Talk about a licence to produce "product" guaranteed to make the company money....

Another discussion (since closed) bought up the issue that the "vaccine" was a gene therapy, not a immunization shot. After all, polio, chicken pox were only 1 shot. Also the"vaccine" was rushed to the human population without the standard testing (Animal testing then 2 years of human testing). I sure hope the companies are doing that standard testing still, to see if there are side effects that could possibly be hazardous to the "human health".

But this thread is about the supposed "invunerability" after getting the shot. Pls comment on that.

 

[Cock Throppled]

The shot also takes two weeks to build antibodies, so it isn't "instant" protection. Precautions still need to be observed.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Another discussion (since closed) bought up the issue that the "vaccine" was a gene therapy, not a immunization shot. After all, polio, chicken pox were only 1 shot. Also the"vaccine" was rushed to the human population without the standard testing (Animal testing then 2 years of human testing). I sure hope the companies are doing that standard testing still, to see if there are side effects that could possibly be hazardous to the "human health".

But this thread is about the supposed "invunerability" after getting the shot. Pls comment on that.

Recently watched a British doc on how development, testing, production and distribution was developed. Corners were not cut. The usual animal testing was eliminated, and trials over-lapped, so things could be speeded up. There were 200 companies already working on developing vaccines when the pandemic started, so it's not like, " Oh, there's this new disease, let's make a vaccine." The basic approach to disarming the virus was already well under way by a number of companies, and the science behind attacking the spike protein of this virus is an accepted, and known entity. No gene therapy, no micro-chips bull shit, no "Bill Gates controlling the world".

 

[sybian]

Recently watched a British doc on how development, testing, production and distribution was developed. Corners were not cut. The usual animal testing was eliminated, and trials over-lapped, so things could be speeded up. There were 200 companies already working on developing vaccines when the pandemic started, so it's not like, " Oh, there's this new disease, let's make a vaccine." The basic approach to disarming the virus was already well under way by a number of companies, and the science behind attacking the spike protein of this virus is an accepted, and known entity. No gene therapy, no micro-chips bull shit, no "Bill Gates controlling the world".

The standard paperwork, and money was fast tracked, to get the ball rolling faster.

 

[musingaway]

VOX recently produced a good explainer video of vaccine efficacy. It does a great job explaining what is actually meant by "efficacy", the differences between the different vaccines and their trials, and how it all relates to real world health outcomes.

 

[nukecola]

I am observing how effective are the vaccination relative to new infections, especially the dynamics of increasing vaccination rate to the decline of daily new cases.

We peaked at 1000 cases a day in the beginning of this April, back then some but not that many people had been vaccinated. BCCDC new case number is 600 today. Assuming 40% vaccinated people now have some immunity, and BC’s population is 5M, which makes 3M population still susceptible to covid. Therefore it’s easy to see how 600 cases a day of 3M population is the same infection rate to 1000 cases a day of 5M population from April’s peak, if not worse. We should have seen much less new cases per day (say 200 instead of 600?) if the vaccination had contributed to declining daily cases.

Either: 1 dose is not enough to build immunity, or 1 dose doesn’t prevent someone from spreading covid, or the virus had gone more infectious by increasing its R0 (UK, Brazilian and Indian variants?), or the government was downplaying peak days case numbers.

In any case, this can’t be good. We shall see how the dynamics of vaccination rate vs. infection rate will change in the upcoming days and hope for tipping point in sight.

 

[Billiam]

Another possibility is that you cherry-pick your numbers to prove your point. Fact is, positivity % has dropped during that same time from 11% to 7%, a great reduction and great news already.

 

[Maybee]

They have stated from the first day that the vaccine is only to help reduce death and severe symptoms. Not immune you stop getting covid.

 

[Newb808]

I am observing how effective are the vaccination relative to new infections, especially the dynamics of increasing vaccination rate to the decline of daily new cases.

We peaked at 1000 cases a day in the beginning of this April, back then some but not that many people had been vaccinated. BCCDC new case number is 600 today. Assuming 40% vaccinated people now have some immunity, and BC’s population is 5M, which makes 3M population still susceptible to covid. Therefore it’s easy to see how 600 cases a day of 3M population is the same infection rate to 1000 cases a day of 5M population from April’s peak, if not worse. We should have seen much less new cases per day (say 200 instead of 600?) if the vaccination had contributed to declining daily cases.

Either: 1 dose is not enough to build immunity, or 1 dose doesn’t prevent someone from spreading covid, or the virus had gone more infectious by increasing its R0 (UK, Brazilian and Indian variants?), or the government was downplaying peak days case numbers.

In any case, this can’t be good. We shall see how the dynamics of vaccination rate vs. infection rate will change in the upcoming days and hope for tipping point in sight.

Too many variables to list here haven’t been considered. A few significant ones off the top of my head is, one, the communities with the highest infections have only been targeted for vaccination priority in the last month—initial protection begins two to three weeks after dose one. Another point is that the 19-39 year old demographic, which has and continues to be over represented in infections, has barely been vaccinated.
BC will be down to 400 (probably less)cases per day by June and less than 100 by July. Look at Israel, the UK and even most US states(even with huge swaths of the population not getting vaccinated) and it’s the same thing: low infections and positivity rates. The entire UK had less cases than Ontario today and Israel had about a third of the entire coastal health region. Both the UK and Israel are currently sitting at an average positivity rate of %0.2 too.