Most estimates suggest a stable long-term population of between 1 and 2 billion globally could be sustained. But people aren't ever satisfied with stability. We're just smart monkeys eating everything we can get our hands on and breeding out of control like any other animal. We got the better part of three centuries of explosive growth from fossil fuels and when that ends the four horsemen will reappear and help us get back down below a couple of billion. It won't be fun, and we'll eat everything on the planet bigger than rats on the way down. In the meantime I'm going to enjoy my comfortable existence and hope things keep going until I'm gone.
do you ever think there is just too many people on this rock
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johnsmit
"It just where you are living is crowded.
The planet is a very big place and as much as many people might think 7 billion is to much .. we prob can handle 14 billion if we learn to manage the resources and get rid of the bigot,racists and profit makers .
Maybe that can't happen but 14 billion will.
Yap we will probably end up with a natural disaster or a war, famine and a plague that will wipe out most of us"
licks2nite
"At 10 or 12 billion by the end of the century, all the fossil fuel that global warming affectionados are so fond of limiting likely will have been used up. When I think about it, everybody is so fortunate that over 70% of the earth is covered with ocean that people can't live on in large numbers. Financially, the world's economy is driven to grow by an obsolete money system, conceived in the late 19th century and instituted in 1913, that would collapse without growth and people taking out more loans. Nobody ever comes up with a way to make it stop beyond bartering products without any money at all."
7 billion in the world today and most countries can't afford to feed their own people. We even have people here in Canada that starve... People on the streets, living in cold weather that die every year (in Canada). In 25 years it is estimated that the world's population will be 9 billion. That will take alot of resources to take care of them all. Today we see countries totally abandon minorities in their countries, because they cant afford to help them or want the land they are on.
Tourists from the western countries travel to the middle east and far east. Places like India and China have over a billion (or close to it) people. Most of those people are dirt poor....live in poverty. Its cute watching the poor children begging for scraps don't you think. If you think 7 billion is too much it is. The worlds population will be getting bigger.
The last big population growth stunts were WW1, 1917 infuenza, and WW2.
The World Health Organization is expecting another cold flu that will kill millions; it might put a size-able dent in the world population.
War... don't want to see that happen because...... some things get out of hand. Countries will go to war over water. Can't live without it. Although technology here could help with reverse osmosis.
Natural disasters are happening on a low scale right now. Earthquakes, Storms like hurricanes, Forrest fires etc. Although patching up communities after these things happen will get expensive.
As for resources, yes there are enough to handle 14 billion, but how do you distribute it, when the distribution system today is unfair. There are places on this earth that are uninhabitable because of man-made pollution, and currently man is doing a excellent job of killing the oceans and wildlife in them.
Man the locust......
"It just where you are living is crowded.
The planet is a very big place and as much as many people might think 7 billion is to much .. we prob can handle 14 billion if we learn to manage the resources and get rid of the bigot,racists and profit makers .
Maybe that can't happen but 14 billion will.
Yap we will probably end up with a natural disaster or a war, famine and a plague that will wipe out most of us"
licks2nite
"At 10 or 12 billion by the end of the century, all the fossil fuel that global warming affectionados are so fond of limiting likely will have been used up. When I think about it, everybody is so fortunate that over 70% of the earth is covered with ocean that people can't live on in large numbers. Financially, the world's economy is driven to grow by an obsolete money system, conceived in the late 19th century and instituted in 1913, that would collapse without growth and people taking out more loans. Nobody ever comes up with a way to make it stop beyond bartering products without any money at all."
7 billion in the world today and most countries can't afford to feed their own people. We even have people here in Canada that starve... People on the streets, living in cold weather that die every year (in Canada). In 25 years it is estimated that the world's population will be 9 billion. That will take alot of resources to take care of them all. Today we see countries totally abandon minorities in their countries, because they cant afford to help them or want the land they are on.
Tourists from the western countries travel to the middle east and far east. Places like India and China have over a billion (or close to it) people. Most of those people are dirt poor....live in poverty. Its cute watching the poor children begging for scraps don't you think. If you think 7 billion is too much it is. The worlds population will be getting bigger.
The last big population growth stunts were WW1, 1917 infuenza, and WW2.
The World Health Organization is expecting another cold flu that will kill millions; it might put a size-able dent in the world population.
War... don't want to see that happen because...... some things get out of hand. Countries will go to war over water. Can't live without it. Although technology here could help with reverse osmosis.
Natural disasters are happening on a low scale right now. Earthquakes, Storms like hurricanes, Forrest fires etc. Although patching up communities after these things happen will get expensive.
As for resources, yes there are enough to handle 14 billion, but how do you distribute it, when the distribution system today is unfair. There are places on this earth that are uninhabitable because of man-made pollution, and currently man is doing a excellent job of killing the oceans and wildlife in them.
Man the locust......
Bon Voyage
Pertinent post from GTA's The Star :
" Motorists have come to expect gridlock in Toronto’s rapidly growing downtown core.
But congestion of another kind is on the rise in the city’s condo canyons as young urban singles become couples with kids,
according to a new analysis of 2016 census data."
But congestion of another kind is on the rise in the city’s condo canyons as young urban singles become couples with kids,
according to a new analysis of 2016 census data."
so that was fake news yesterday, that claims
we already used up the resources the earth is able to produce on an annual basis, yesterday
that we are using 1.7X what it can sustain a year
and you think we can add another 7 billion insatiable waste buckets?
the earth already has 5 billion more than the environment can handle
any other animal and we would have culled it, long ago
I'm sure that was beautiful at some point in a past century
its not really about immigration per say
I mean hiking on an advertised trail, I mean in hiking books etc, its pretty much just white people.
the trail head parking lot that is full up at five in the morning, its white people in k country any way
women actually pacs of women with their dogs and kids in tow.
you never see pacs of guys, but you see pacs of women hiking.
immigrants just stay in town for the most part,
why don't you move,
I did that bought a cabin on a sleepy little lake, 30 years ago, now there are street lights speed bumps and mormoms walking door to door,
if every one packs up and moves to a sleepy little town, guess what it won't be all that sleepy any more,
and that is what people are doing, take a drive outside the city, and people are sub-dividing the land so they all get there little acreage, put a massive big house on it,
its like a little checker board dotted with houses.
read an article about how many world heritage sites and vacation spots being destroyed by too many fucking tourists
reefs are being destroyed by too much diving and big vessels
the more we try to go out and escape the big city, the more we are loosing the wild areas they we search for.
heard a news story on geo blogging and selfies the pristine places are all being over run, by selfi takers so they can post them on there blog or instagram or what the fuck,
the more we want to get away, the less places there are to get away to. because everyone else wants to do the same.
I mean hiking on an advertised trail, I mean in hiking books etc, its pretty much just white people.
the trail head parking lot that is full up at five in the morning, its white people in k country any way
women actually pacs of women with their dogs and kids in tow.
you never see pacs of guys, but you see pacs of women hiking.
immigrants just stay in town for the most part,
why don't you move,
I did that bought a cabin on a sleepy little lake, 30 years ago, now there are street lights speed bumps and mormoms walking door to door,
if every one packs up and moves to a sleepy little town, guess what it won't be all that sleepy any more,
and that is what people are doing, take a drive outside the city, and people are sub-dividing the land so they all get there little acreage, put a massive big house on it,
its like a little checker board dotted with houses.
read an article about how many world heritage sites and vacation spots being destroyed by too many fucking tourists
reefs are being destroyed by too much diving and big vessels
the more we try to go out and escape the big city, the more we are loosing the wild areas they we search for.
heard a news story on geo blogging and selfies the pristine places are all being over run, by selfi takers so they can post them on there blog or instagram or what the fuck,
the more we want to get away, the less places there are to get away to. because everyone else wants to do the same.
I remember it as a grimy industrial area and railway yard. Coal Harbour area was the same. My friend lived in a big rooming house there that had cockroaches!
Until a new economic model is developed world wide we will continue destroying the planet.
If we stop building condos and McMansions what happens to the construction workers, bankers, real estate workers?
If everyone is hapy with their car, TV, running shoes, what happens to manufacturing and retail?
There are definitely too many people on this rock, and the growth rate is not sustainable. Eventually there will be subdivisions from Langley to Kamloops. All that prime agricultural land is lost to residential. Food becomes more expensive and supply is less reliable.
How can that be resolved?
Can we cap the number of children allowed like China did? We might have to.
I was there when Gil-Galad and Elendil fell.....I said in a past century. How old ARE YOU!?!??
There are two different survival strategies there.
Japan, Switzerland, Nordics have few children but invest a lot of resources in them to make them succesful.
Poor countries have a bunch of children and hope one works out.
Crowded places (e.g. New York, London, Beijing, Tokyo) are where the jobs and opportunities are. It was true 2000 years ago (e.g. Rome), 300 years ago (e.g Paris) and still true today.
Where there is wealth, there is a supporting infrastructure of culture (e.g. cuisine, music, theater, dance, museums, sports...and ehrm...SPs, lol) because a higher population/wealth makes those pursuits viable. Even if someone is not well-off, they can easily access all of those cultural opportunities. Also in today's world, you're more likely to find better healthcare in cities than isolated towns.
When I was living in Toronto, my boss took a picture of his 15 month old son 1 day. In the picture, only 1 eye had a red-eye effect and he later mentioned that to the paediatrician. The doctor blanched and discovered the kid had a retinal blastoma - a rare fatal diagnosis if not discovered, and only 150 cases yearly in the world. It turns out that Sick Kids Hospital in Toronto has one of the best teams - they immediately started treatment and removed the eye a month later. Think of the alternative if he had been living in Smithers Lake BC and the issue had not been discovered.
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