CDC WTF?

[FreeG]

Whenever I’m in a discussion (or argument…) about COVID-19 or vax, I always reference WHO and CDC. I know folks don’t trust govt website (especially the same folks who tend to be anti-vax or think Covid is a hoax) but at least these websites tend to reference peer-reviewed research. You can pull the string and by-and-large you end up at a university or research area that is nearly clear-as-day disconnected from anything (I’ve done research in uni and know it can be complicated but generally it’s pretty good and driven more by ego than money, but I digress).
So it’s a real kick in the gut when I read this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/health/covid-cdc-data.html

This is so infuriating. I hate being treated like an infant but that’s what this article points to with cdc: no one can interpret the data correctlyso it must be kept out of the public. Shit Like this just perpetuates the feeling from so many that govt can’t be trusted and makes any dialogue towards middle-ground harder and harder. And also makes it harder to makefurther gains with vax.

it’s why I’m not 100% opposed to st least some of what the trucker convoy was protesting at their face value/initial arguments (and the folks protesting gym closures too): there’s no data showing these groups are spreading Covid, no data being shared on the vax effects/benefits, poor explanation on the variants and their effects.The govt just continues to fall on its sword over and over; we’LL get what we deserve when people continue to rage and call for bullshit alternatives because there’s so much growing indication the govt is either incompetent, untrustworthy, or both.

 

[sensualsixty]

I am a bit confused about your concerns since the CDC to which you refer is a U.S. government agency. Are you inferring that Canadian government agencies have the same deficiencies? If so, you should attempt to validate your inferences.

 

[milemiles]

This kinda reminds me of that trucker convoy guy trying to refer to the US constitution at his court appearance in Ottawa.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

I am also confused by your post freeg. I think it is well meaning but not sure if a clear point is made.

You note you go to CDC and WHO for information, so do I and I am sure many others. Then you write " You can pull the string and by-and-large you end up at a university or research area that is nearly clear-as-day disconnected from anything (I’ve done research in uni and know it can be complicated but generally it’s pretty good and driven more by ego than money, but I digress)" which I get as you saying the string you pulled to get to the research (I assume was referenced?) is a bunch of hooey. Referencing a NYTimes article is generally a decent source (not a research source) and in this case the article refers to the point of releasing raw data may not be all that good a thing and you say you don't like being treated like a kid. So give you all the goods. Maybe without context and a lot of understanding. Maybe not.

OK

So what is the reference to the hooey? And by and large I certainly believe there is NO government conspiracy here to withhold information and get a fast one by all of us. If they did why?

You sure that coffee you had when you posted it wasn't about 50/50 with a fine bourbon or similar?

Cheers, MPH

 

[FreeG]

I am also confused by your post freeg. I think it is well meaning but not sure if a clear point is made.

You note you go to CDC and WHO for information, so do I and I am sure many others. Then you write " You can pull the string and by-and-large you end up at a university or research area that is nearly clear-as-day disconnected from anything (I’ve done research in uni and know it can be complicated but generally it’s pretty good and driven more by ego than money, but I digress)" which I get as you saying the string you pulled to get to the research (I assume was referenced?) is a bunch of hooey. Referencing a NYTimes article is generally a decent source (not a research source) and in this case the article refers to the point of releasing raw data may not be all that good a thing and you say you don't like being treated like a kid. So give you all the goods. Maybe without context and a lot of understanding. Maybe not.

OK

So what is the reference to the hooey? And by and large I certainly believe there is NO government conspiracy here to withhold information and get a fast one by all of us. If they did why?

You sure that coffee you had when you posted it wasn't about 50/50 with a fine bourbon or similar?

Cheers, MPH

haha maybe I did have too much coffee!!

I wasn’t clear then: what I meant with my reference to university research is that when that forms the basis for studies, it’s what I view as the most reliable/least influenceable of sources. As long as I’m seeing a cdc or who reference that goes back to a university (or medical centre, many of which are tied to universities), then it’s the most reliable source. I say this to counter (in my arguments with others) those who don’t believe govt data/websites.

Indeed I was referring to US CDC. But I’ve been equally frustrated with the Cdn and BC sites and lack of data. A few months ago, someone in bc govt leaked the full reference slides that Bc health uses, lots of useful info thatwasn’t being shared.