What can anyone tell me about Carmen Fox's agency? Girls who worked there & clients who have visited have any info? According to the hiring ad, girls make $200/hour. Is this true? Since that's all I'm charging now being indy, why not work there & have the extra plush surroundings plus security? Any info anyone? Just wondering.
Carman fox??
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girls who works there gets $$, but the client gets charge $$$ because $ goes to the agency. Now if you are pretty well reviewed Lisa, why would you want your good patrons to pay the extra $?
I for one dont support or go to agencies...
another low blow I really hate is when sps working for an agency and decided to go indy, charges the same agency rate too... nevertheless, there are certainly enough attractive and reliable indy sps around... as for agency, might drop by one once a year just for the heck of it..
I for one dont support or go to agencies...
another low blow I really hate is when sps working for an agency and decided to go indy, charges the same agency rate too... nevertheless, there are certainly enough attractive and reliable indy sps around... as for agency, might drop by one once a year just for the heck of it..
According to the WWW page CF&F charges $250 Outcall, $300 Outcall with GFE and $320 at the Fox Den. You can still see a Fox for $250.
How much a girl gets per hour I don't know but if a girl doesn't want to deal with advertising, and phone screening and a WWW presence, Carman Fox and Friends has a excellent reputation. I've always had the agency go the extra mile on customer service.
Girls who go indy have expenses, big daddy. They have to advertise and do phone screening (cell phone bills), and who knows how much work they actually get? Maybe when they leave the agency they see fewer customers and need to charge more. I'm not saying that prices are always justifiable, but look at the issue from more then just your point of view or your wallet's point of view.
How much a girl gets per hour I don't know but if a girl doesn't want to deal with advertising, and phone screening and a WWW presence, Carman Fox and Friends has a excellent reputation. I've always had the agency go the extra mile on customer service.
Girls who go indy have expenses, big daddy. They have to advertise and do phone screening (cell phone bills), and who knows how much work they actually get? Maybe when they leave the agency they see fewer customers and need to charge more. I'm not saying that prices are always justifiable, but look at the issue from more then just your point of view or your wallet's point of view.
I think there are lots of pluses for an agency.
For one, you don't need to have an incall and deal with all the no-shows, the multiple calls while you are in session, etc... and the Den definately has the most plush and secure place I have ever seen.
For the client, there are also advantages. You don't have to worry about bait and switches, a messy and uncomfortable and sometimes awkward feeling of going to a private apartment, and not worrying about booking a hotel... its just easier when an agency like the Den provides an environment like the den.
For one, you don't need to have an incall and deal with all the no-shows, the multiple calls while you are in session, etc... and the Den definately has the most plush and secure place I have ever seen.
For the client, there are also advantages. You don't have to worry about bait and switches, a messy and uncomfortable and sometimes awkward feeling of going to a private apartment, and not worrying about booking a hotel... its just easier when an agency like the Den provides an environment like the den.
Big Daddy,
Having gone from working at the Den to being indy I can honestly say, when I factor in my rent, the cost of advertising, the phone, and all of the furnishings I'm taking home the same or less than I did at the den.
Then factor in the TIME it takes to set everything up. If I see 3 people a day, then I've probably spent another 3 hours doing emails & phone calls, 2 hours of cleaning (you men shed hair like nobody's business and who wants short curlies all over the floor and everywhere else when the go to see and SP?). That makes it an 8 hour day for an Indy girl, when it would be a 3 hour day for MP girl. It all works out in the end.
Just my thoughts.
Iz
Having gone from working at the Den to being indy I can honestly say, when I factor in my rent, the cost of advertising, the phone, and all of the furnishings I'm taking home the same or less than I did at the den.
Then factor in the TIME it takes to set everything up. If I see 3 people a day, then I've probably spent another 3 hours doing emails & phone calls, 2 hours of cleaning (you men shed hair like nobody's business and who wants short curlies all over the floor and everywhere else when the go to see and SP?). That makes it an 8 hour day for an Indy girl, when it would be a 3 hour day for MP girl. It all works out in the end.
Just my thoughts.
Iz
Carman Fox versus being Independant
For me, I have seen many great things about working independantly in Vancouver. Many gentlemen swear off agencies and prefer to see only those they can visit in a independant setting. I met a ton of great guys that way but I also found it pretty taxing to answer my phone and email and have a high end incall location, stay on top of advertising, my website etc etc. The ugly side was basically that you are on your own security-wise and structurally I had a tough time...but that was me.
Being at the Fox Den now for a few monthes has been a really great experience for me. I feel listened to (which is rare), when I have a suggestion or a problem and that to me is very important because I have worked for another high end establishment where I felt like a piece of meat.
The surroundings at the den really make you feel secure but better than that for me is that you are put in what I consider the best appointed suites in North America. If you don't want to mingle with other ladies, you need not. Your room is yours for the night and it is a comfortable and opulent setting. Showers are right in the room so that is a major bonus.
We do keep $200 for the hour at the den. As Izzie has mentioned, I know for me personally when I factored in all my indie expenses, it works out to be about the same.
Personally, I am really picky when it comes to feeling comfortable working for a company and I have to say that I would not be sticking around if I didn't think that Carman Fox's agency was not the very best in Vancouver.
Van Island Lisa, I really don't think you can go wrong working there. Carman and her staff (especially Nikita and Allison who I want to ADOPT or kidnap one of these days
), really know how to make you feel like a human being and not just another set of tits. The staff takes each girls' needs into account specifically and to me that is invaluable.
If you provide GFE service, you'll do great there.
So you wanted some info and that's the best I can give ya. I'm really loving it there....best of luck in whatever you decide!
All the best
Tiffany
For me, I have seen many great things about working independantly in Vancouver. Many gentlemen swear off agencies and prefer to see only those they can visit in a independant setting. I met a ton of great guys that way but I also found it pretty taxing to answer my phone and email and have a high end incall location, stay on top of advertising, my website etc etc. The ugly side was basically that you are on your own security-wise and structurally I had a tough time...but that was me.
Being at the Fox Den now for a few monthes has been a really great experience for me. I feel listened to (which is rare), when I have a suggestion or a problem and that to me is very important because I have worked for another high end establishment where I felt like a piece of meat.
The surroundings at the den really make you feel secure but better than that for me is that you are put in what I consider the best appointed suites in North America. If you don't want to mingle with other ladies, you need not. Your room is yours for the night and it is a comfortable and opulent setting. Showers are right in the room so that is a major bonus.
We do keep $200 for the hour at the den. As Izzie has mentioned, I know for me personally when I factored in all my indie expenses, it works out to be about the same.
Personally, I am really picky when it comes to feeling comfortable working for a company and I have to say that I would not be sticking around if I didn't think that Carman Fox's agency was not the very best in Vancouver.
Van Island Lisa, I really don't think you can go wrong working there. Carman and her staff (especially Nikita and Allison who I want to ADOPT or kidnap one of these days
), really know how to make you feel like a human being and not just another set of tits. The staff takes each girls' needs into account specifically and to me that is invaluable.If you provide GFE service, you'll do great there.
So you wanted some info and that's the best I can give ya. I'm really loving it there....best of luck in whatever you decide!
All the best
Tiffany
Mike Hawk said:
Well technically, this thread is fine in the 411 section as well.
Just adding to the Indi vs Agency debate, I would rather see the same girl at her Indi location. Just my opinion.
I would imagine that it would be more "romantic" and more "intimate" if the girl was an Indy with a incall location. Of course, this is providing that the incall isn't a dump, and that it is nice inside. It does not have to be downtown, I actually prefer a incall not downtown, parking is a beeotch downtown!
I`ve never been to the Den, since $$.5/hr is more like the most I`m willing to pay.
$$$.2/hr by most reviews does seem like good value, when you consider the plush quality of the incall facility. Good to hear the SP cut is $$.
It is located near Metrotown, so less hassle with traffic and parking than D/T.
They have a good system of posting daily schedules online (the main reason I`ve been going to BBC, I noticed GP has started doing that too.)
The only minus I could see for an SP thinking of going there is this:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=62300
The SP in question provided greek and BBBJ at no extra charge.
Granted, she is in her 40`s, so that is one way she levels the playing field with the younger hotties there.
But if one SP provides that level of service at the regular rate, that could result in pressure from clients on the others to do the same.
$$$.2/hr by most reviews does seem like good value, when you consider the plush quality of the incall facility. Good to hear the SP cut is $$.
It is located near Metrotown, so less hassle with traffic and parking than D/T.
They have a good system of posting daily schedules online (the main reason I`ve been going to BBC, I noticed GP has started doing that too.)
The only minus I could see for an SP thinking of going there is this:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=62300
The SP in question provided greek and BBBJ at no extra charge.
Granted, she is in her 40`s, so that is one way she levels the playing field with the younger hotties there.
But if one SP provides that level of service at the regular rate, that could result in pressure from clients on the others to do the same.
Yes that does make it hard. It's can be frustrating and infuriating when a client comes in and says "Oh well so and so included X in her services and I gave her a great review. I was expecting the same from you, I guess you just aren't as good as her." Nice veiled threat eh? If you don't do what she did for the same price I have the power to write a review and damage your reputation.totravel said:
I will say that I had an inquiry from a lovely gentleman on perb who inquired about said activities and when I said "sorry but no", he handled it with grace and was a perfect gentleman about it, never pressured me or made me feel in any way uncomfortable.... you know who you are. ;-)
With that said, there are situations (long time regulars or people with specific situations or needs) that do allow for certain leniency and the extent of YMMY is entirely up to the SP in question.
I don't think that people should expect more that CBJ's and no greek UNLESS it is specifically advertised. If you get more "BONUS!" if not, you won't be disappointed.
As it should be.Indy Isabelle said:
The website does say whether the SP is PSE/GFE (in the case of Stacey), GFE, or open-minded which is a sort of middle category:
"Foxes listed as "open-minded" are typically more open-minded than the average Escorts, yet not as open-minded as a GFE Escort"
If clients read the site descriptions, there shouldn't be a problem.
I don't beleive reference was to BBC but ST. I have been to both den and BBC. Den has much nicer rooms and service is usually great. I have many good sessions at BBC, rooms are simpler but clean. Given cost difference of $.2 I would expect a difference in rooms. I think "dump" is a little harsh. my .02.
Back to original post. VIL ... given your service, clients will follow you ... indy or at the den !!
I agree with all of the things that Isabelle said. I used to be a partner in a large downtown consulting firm and recently left to run my own practice. My rates now are very similar to what I charged when with the large firm. However, factoring in start-up costs I probably take home less now than I did then. Even once established, much of my time that could be spent doing billable work for clients will end up being spent on adminstrative tasks the firm used to take care of.Indy Isabelle said:
I think that the bottom line when employing any professional (and I most definitely consider SPs as professionals) is that you should just worry about paying a rate that you are comfortable with. Whether the SP chooses to take care of overhead costs via an agency or by herself is not something that should be relevant. The costs are there either way.
Thanks everyone still considering it. It does sound like the best agency so if I go to one I guess the Fox Den would be it. I'll let you know when I decide
P.S What about LE? Any problems yet? It is technically a massage parlour yes?
P.S What about LE? Any problems yet? It is technically a massage parlour yes?
