And you dont think its all about oil, eh? its about freedom! democracy.. ya right.

[ace85]

Ah Idealism is so Simple

Yes there are many hypocrisies in POLITICS.

I choose not to let idealism get in the way of the real realities of everyday life.

PAT ROBERTSON is a flake and a useless part of AMERICAN Politics. What he said was stupid, and the fact he said it allows me to be confident that extremists like him will not get into power.

But now lets look back. Which part of the FREE SPEECH / democracy soap box are you standing on when you condem Pat for saying or beleiving what he said?

I don't support what he said, and I am smart enough to know that in reality it likely wont happen in Venezuela.

I am also beleive that had the US not been swayed by naive public opinion in 1991 and actually stayed around to remove SADAMM Hussein the world would be a better place.

North America is a funny place. We jump up and down and hail JFK as the greatest president. He started Vietnam, and tried to have Castro killed. How different is he than GWBush.

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

Al Quada wants to destroy the fundemental values of Western Society. Safety and Lawfulness. They want to break the west down.

No, they just don't want the West, principally the US, undermining their own repressive theocratic society.
If they didn't have oil, we'd leave them to manage their own affairs (superstitiously and badly), and we'd be much better off.
Most of the killing has been on Islamic soil, not on Western soil.
And most of it has been the result of US intervention and meddling, which goes back as far as the US supporting Saddam Hussein, and Osama's family, and even further.

 

[luckydog71]

This thread is very telling….

Pat is being severely criticized by the cons, the libs and the media of all strips and rightfully so, he is wrong. The reason he is getting so much attention is the world believes his comments are inconsistent with Christian values and he is out of step.

So Pat does not fit the general perception of Christians values.

Now let’s look at the Muslims. They not only talk about killing people, they actually do it. But the outrage and the condemnation from other Muslims is no where near as loud. The general public and the media have little or no reaction.

Why is that?

I think the general consensus is Muslims are a violent and revengeful group. They do not condemn these violent acts and therefore the Muslim population must be a quiet supporter of violent acts.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Any other opinions why the huge outcry against Pat, yet no outrage against the Muslims who are killers?

 

[wolverine]

This thread is very telling….

Pat is being severely criticized by the cons, the libs and the media of all strips and rightfully so, he is wrong. The reason he is getting so much attention is the world believes his comments are inconsistent with Christian values and he is out of step.

So Pat does not fit the general perception of Christians values.

Now let’s look at the Muslims. They not only talk about killing people, they actually do it. But the outrage and the condemnation from other Muslims is no where near as loud. The general public and the media have little or no reaction.

Why is that?

I think the general consensus is Muslims are a violent and revengeful group. They do not condemn these violent acts and therefore the Muslim population must be a quiet supporter of violent acts.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Any other opinions why the huge outcry against Pat, yet no outrage against the Muslims who are killers?

Because there are no Muslims who happen to be powerful white men who run for President and appear on TV to con gullible rednecks out of their life savings.

 

[luckydog71]

Because there are no Muslims who happen to be powerful white men who run for President and appear on TV to con gullible rednecks out of their life savings.

So are you saying the white race is more powerful and influencial? Seems like a very racists position to me.

The offences of Pat are to be condemmed. The acts of Muslims are to be condemed. You can justify the different reaction but I still beleive the public and the media displaying a lower opinion of Musilms and their morals.

 

[Webster]

The offences of Pat are to be condemmed. The acts of Muslims are to be condemed. You can justify the different reaction but I still beleive the public and the media displaying a lower opinion of Musilms and their morals.

The former is one lone nut, the latter is a group of over a billion people, most of whom are nice/boring/irritating in the same proportion that we are and just go about their daily business.

 

[The Lizard King]

The offences of Pat are to be condemmed. The acts of Muslims are to be condemed. You can justify the different reaction but I still beleive the public and the media displaying a lower opinion of Musilms and their morals.

I dunno, I think there's more Pat Robertson's in the U.S. as a percentage of the population than Muslims in this world, who if left alone, would crash airplanes into buildings. The big "if" is being left alone.

 

[wolverine]

So are you saying the white race is more powerful and influencial? Seems like a very racists position to me.

Not as racist as condemning all Muslims because of a small percentage of extremists. And yes, it is true that the power structure in the States is still predominantly white and male. But that's hardly the point.

Name one Muslim leader in America with the same power, political influence and name recognition as Pat Robertson.
Name one Muslim leader in America who is a televangelist with a large audience.
Name one Muslim leader in America who is the head of a powerful religious lobby group.
Who is Islam's version of the Pope, if there is such a position?

If you know the answer to that question, then the media and the public has its spokesperson for Islam who can advocate any peaceful, moderate aspects of the religion and is in a position to condemn the extremist whacknuts in their midsts (that is, assuming that the media and the public care enough to put aside their celebrity sighting obsessions for a moment and listen).

 

[rick hunter]

So are you saying the white race is more powerful and influencial? Seems like a very racists position to me.

Luckydog do you not know history??? Besides Kim Campbell who was briefly Prime Minister all the PM and Prez have been white guys. Please explain to me why this is?

 

[eljudo]

The former is one lone nut, the latter is a group of over a billion people, most of whom are nice/boring/irritating in the same proportion that we are and just go about their daily business.

Unfortunatedly...

the current US president feels the sameway like the other nut job.

Feels god is with him.. god asked him to become president.. hell god asked him to liberate israel!

are we closer to the thirld world war?? the way things are going.. its going to get nasty

 

[luckydog71]

I dunno, I think there's more Pat Robertson's in the U.S. as a percentage of the population than Muslims in this world, who if left alone, would crash airplanes into buildings. The big "if" is being left alone.

Well looks like you guys win. You have successfully argued that the media should have higher expectations of white christian Americans. In fact the Pat incident is a good example of why. Christian clerics, politicians, news media have denounced his position and rightfully so.

The Muslims who are actually killing people are not condemed by the Muslim clerics. Very little was said about 9/11 attacks or the current killings in Iraq of Muslim by Muslim.

 

[The Lizard King]

The Muslims who are actually killing people are not condemed by the Muslim clerics. Very little was said about 9/11 attacks or the current killings in Iraq of Muslim by Muslim.

You're right, and it's because they look at the situation, Muslims whacking Muslims, and America a lot differently than the West does. The clerics understand that this is a not a one time conflict and all will be settled, it's a deep hatred that has and will go on for generations and Muslims will be sacrificed for the cause. They will consider all Muslims who died as a result as martyrs. The average American especially can't comprehend this thought process or why someone would do this to your country and citizens, and is certainly not prepared to make the same sacrifices over a long period of time. Many people in many countries still feel America had 9/11 coming to them and Americans simply don't understand why as they’re are unaware as to pain and damage your government inflicts on other countries and their people. To think the U.S. is totally innocent is pretty naive.

By the way, you didn't actually mean to drag Venezuela, and Iraq once again, into 9/11, did you?

 

[Webster]

The Muslims who are actually killing people are not condemed by the Muslim clerics. Very little was said about 9/11 attacks or the current killings in Iraq of Muslim by Muslim.

You're right

No, you're wrong. Negative stories as well as positive at the link, but there's no shortage of condemnation of terrorism.

 

[georgebushmoron]

I think the general consensus is Muslims are a violent and revengeful group. They do not condemn these violent acts and therefore the Muslim population must be a quiet supporter of violent acts.

I'm suspicious of anything that forms the general concensus, because I think the vast population is stupid, naive, and easily manipulated. They are walking lobotomies.

However, I do agree that the amount of condemnation by the Muslim population of acts of terror do not seem to equal the outrage expressed in the west against extremist Christians (and politicians). You are partly right.

The mistake you have made is that you are implying that Islamic ideology is the reason for the lack of condemnation, resulting in a tacit approval. The fact is that the religion does not support this, though perversions of it clearly do.

The real truth is, however, that save for the Israelis, the populace in the Middle East has viewed the US with suspicion and hatred for the last 40 years. When acts by terrorists occur, the typical Arab person thinks about all the deaths by bombing, starvation, poverty that are directly or indirectly the responsibility of the US. So when a terrorist blows up a couple of buildings killing say, 3800 people, the reaction by Arabs is going to be quite muted as they think about the hundreds of thousands of their own kind who have been victimized by what they see as US repression. Most Arabs in the Middle East are Muslims... but that has almost nothing to do with their support for terrorist acts against the US when compared to the feelings of an embattled and downbeaten people.

The worst thing about promoting the view that it is the Muslim religion that is the source of terror/hatred is that attacking the belief/culture of a people will only tell them that you hate them, reinforcing their view that you want to oppress and decimate them further. Perhaps it is not the intention of the kind peoples of the West, but to follow this erroneous reasoning only plays into the hands of the haters and opportunists on both sides.

 

[eljudo]

I'm suspicious of anything that forms the general concensus, because I think the vast population is stupid, naive, and easily manipulated. They are walking lobotomies.

However, I do agree that the amount of condemnation by the Muslim population of acts of terror do not seem to equal the outrage expressed in the west against extremist Christians (and politicians). You are partly right.

The mistake you have made is that you are implying that Islamic ideology is the reason for the lack of condemnation, resulting in a tacit approval. The fact is that the religion does not support this, though perversions of it clearly do.

The real truth is, however, that save for the Israelis, the populace in the Middle East has viewed the US with suspicion and hatred for the last 40 years. When acts by terrorists occur, the typical Arab person thinks about all the deaths by bombing, starvation, poverty that are directly or indirectly the responsibility of the US. So when a terrorist blows up a couple of buildings killing say, 3800 people, the reaction by Arabs is going to be quite muted as they think about the hundreds of thousands of their own kind who have been victimized by what they see as US repression. Most Arabs in the Middle East are Muslims... but that has almost nothing to do with their support for terrorist acts against the US when compared to the feelings of an embattled and downbeaten people.

The worst thing about promoting the view that it is the Muslim religion that is the source of terror/hatred is that attacking the belief/culture of a people will only tell them that you hate them, reinforcing their view that you want to oppress and decimate them further. Perhaps it is not the intention of the kind peoples of the West, but to follow this erroneous reasoning only plays into the hands of the haters and opportunists on both sides.

Lets not forget that christian values is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs. One of the 10 commandments strictly says:

Thou shall not kill.

Jesus christ did not abolish the ten commandments.. so if you are a christian, then you have to live by it. In fact , most people do somewhat.

This nutcase is promoting to kill off an opponent that was put into power by the oppressed and poor. The coup only failed because the people, wanted this man back into power. That should show you how popular he really is.


George bush claims to be a christian. However, that doesnt stop him from dropping depleted uranium bombs all over iraq.

doesnt stop him from ordering shock and awe.... ( that name implies terror, how appropiate for war against terror ) on innocent people and civilians.

doesnt stop him from lying all over the place to the american public.


what makes the above an extremelly dangerous individual, is the fact that he is the lone craze cowboy running afoul with the world biggest and most advanced military in a unipolar world.

Do not forget he is christian , portrays himself as christian, and tries to look for support from the western christian world.

 

[Ilovethemall]

religions

ban them all - it's all fiction anyway.

 

[The Lizard King]

George bush claims to be a christian

I think it might be even worse...I think he's a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN! They're the worst motherfuckers because they feel that they have to make up for lost time and past indiscretions.

 

[georgebushmoron]

I think it might be even worse...I think he's a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN! They're the worst motherfuckers because they feel that they have to make up for lost time and past indiscretions.

It's easier to be Born Again then to have to make up for your past mistakes. Jesus, please wipe the slate clean! Yahoo!!!

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

It's easier to be Born Again then to have to make up for your past mistakes. Jesus, please wipe the slate clean! Yahoo!!!

Dubya, you've never made a mistake in your life.
(Other than appointing a few disloyal people, which you quickly corrected.)

 

[The Lizard King]

It's easier to be Born Again then to have to make up for your past mistakes. Jesus, please wipe the slate clean! Yahoo!!!

No kidding. Or in America where Jesus can wipe the slate clean while the BAC wipes his ass with the Qran all at the same time!