And why do you ask, does Canada not have a reliable vaccine supply?

masterpoonhunter

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/providence-therapeutics-pulling-out-canada-1.6009068

They haven't left yet, but this is just so typical of Canada. Has been all my life really, where the really important national things are overlooked. Canada is well behind other G7 nations in %GDP spending on R&D. Without attempting to list national benefits of proper R&D programs, intuitively anyone considering the pluses that come from solid reliable national initiatives knows how positive these can be. Now, with the potential for devastating diseases to circulate globally, in my opinion, vaccine development should be paramount in our homeland security.
 

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Just look at the leadership we have had in this country for the past generation, and there are no prospects for better. Inco, Alcan, Dofasco and Tim Hortons have been allowed to leave. So was our pre-eminent vaccine producer. The only political party that has had really good leadership in this time period has been the NDP. Until the way our political leadership is chosen we will remain in a desert wasteland. (FYI, my political stripe has varied over the years, depending on the quality of leadership and platform.)
 

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Inco, Alcan, Dofasco and Tim Hortons have been allowed to leave.
Are businesses/corporations not allowed to leave? If you owned a mechanic's shop in Chilliwack, should any government prevent you from relocating (i.e. leaving) to, let's say, Edmonton or Vancouver or Coquitlam? In many ways, a corporation (i.e. a business) has many of the same rights as persons - if a government cannot (and some would say should not) stop a person from relocating, why should it be any different for a corporation or business?
 

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The article is just one-sided revisionist history bitching from the Providence CEO. In all honesty, saying Canada ranks behind %GDP spending in R&D is meaningless when each country specializes for global trade. You can't reap all the benefits of global trade and then complain about it when it doesn't work in a one-in-a-(fifty?)hundred-year scenario. You live with the good and the bad.
 
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Are businesses/corporations not allowed to leave? If you owned a mechanic's shop in Chilliwack, should any government prevent you from relocating (i.e. leaving) to, let's say, Edmonton or Vancouver or Coquitlam? In many ways, a corporation (i.e. a business) has many of the same rights as persons - if a government cannot (and some would say should not) stop a person from relocating, why should it be any different for a corporation or business?
Sure they are. The Cdn Gov alway has the right to say if a company can be bought by a foreign company. Also in the early 70s, the Fed Gov came up with Transfer payments, taking from the "Have" provinces and giving to the "Not Have" provinces, in order to maintain a fairly steay population base ( you guessed it - to keep Quebecers at home). So in this case the Fed Gov bribed the population to stay where it was....(But thats a different story)

The problem is the "gobal economy", to enter it Canada has to give something in order to be part of it. So since the 70/80s the Prov and Fed gov have been giving away Canadian resources and Canada manufacturing industry has suffered. Prime example is the car industry in Ontaria. The autopack has failed due to this lost of manufacturing capability. Economist for years have been teaching how if the American dollar is worth more than the Canadian dollar, then our manufacturing products will sell in the US. This does not work. As all I see are "made in china" on everything you buy. Are all the cars on car lots made in Canada.... the big answear is no..... The reality is lost of manufacturing in Canada.

Now for the final blow, the loss of unions and their rights. IN the 1940/50 a union was a plus to a company, but somehow they are now a negative. Why because of the greed of owner and stockprices and stock dividends. To make more money, take away from the people that help that company make that money... the unions. Not that I am a union person, but I see their value to society. Without unions there would be no safety practices (although there are alot of laws about safety, not all companies follow them), sick days, time off for emergencies, pensions, etc. Slowly since the 1990 unions are being busted or turned off by Prov and Fed governments. (eg. in order to get a raise, sick days accumaltive were lost, instead you had to use them or lose them- mostly because young healthy workers eventually retired with alot of sick days).

As for PC/Tory governments saleing Government companies, the bottom line for them was employee benefits, pension they did not have to pay, in other words they screwed alot of government workers over. The new buyers alway came in and made changes and or sold off the company assets to make a profit. Or the employees old job was now a new harder/impossible job to do, and they quit....

Nowadays kids in high school aren't given courses for shop so much, but more computer stuff and doctor stuff like biology, chemistry and physics, but no practical hands on shit.

So with out high paying manufacturing jobs, people needed those parttime jobs in malls (1990). With the advent of online shopping, the malls are by passed and the economy is further bypassing the people in it. So the rich get richer and the populace gets poorer.

With Covid happily infecting the Canadian economy, taxes will rise, more loopholes in the tax system will be cut off for small companies (and I hope large companies too). Which means more taxes from everyone. It will happen. It just a matter of time.... (after all have to pay for all those handouts to pay the rent to keep the bankers happy).
 
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