And another sad election coming, probably May 2
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I don't think that harper has fucked up too bad. The country has sailed through a significant financial downturn and has come out in the best shape of any G7 nation. Every province is going to grow this year but sooner or later the Government has got to start transitioning from stimulus to restraint and that isn't going to be handled well by Liberals or NDP. When I look at the alternatives running the other parties I don't see any need to change right now. I would like to see a majority government in place for a while so we can get some shit done in Parliament. This election will be a total waste of money if we have another minority and another election in a year and half again. It's also a dicey time to change with our troops still involved inAfghanistan and now Libya.
I think that's partly because he's never had a majority and has not really been able to push through the real Conservative agenda. If there's a bet to be made, I'd put a shit load of money on another Conservative minortiy.
I'm going to go way out on a limb here and predict another Tory minority, so be prepared for another election in the next 4 years. Ignatieff has been a disappointment to put it mildly (but no more than Dion). He needs to come out swinging and needs to say publicly that the Liberals are in it to win it, and if they lose there will be no coalition. The Tories will get close to the 155 seats needed for a majority, I predict 145 to 150, but no more.
What we really need is election reform based on a proportional voting system, that way every vote counts.:
fairvote.ca
http://www.fairvote.ca/en/fair-voting-systems
What we really need is election reform based on a proportional voting system, that way every vote counts.:
fairvote.ca
http://www.fairvote.ca/en/fair-voting-systems
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I am actually more pissed off that we are once again on the hook for an approx $250 - $300M to pay for the fourth election in seven years.
Question voters need to ask themselves is if this election is warranted or not and vote accordingly.
Question voters need to ask themselves is if this election is warranted or not and vote accordingly.
Not voting is exactly what the Tories want and all of the other parties don't. I will be voting and I think it should be required by law.
Obviously the opposition parties were the ones to blame for this one. IMHO the Tories did put out a new budget to appeal to everyone's needs. The other parties are basically looking for a way to stop any positive momentum the Tories may have gained.
I agree that voting should be mandatory.
Disagree completely. The Tories gloaded the opposition into an election by presenting a budget that pleases no one (except may be the NDP but Layton did not want to appear as weak). They think the timing is right to try and get a majority. What they didn't count on is the population's lack of appetitie for another election.
I don't find that at all obvious. That is the spin the Conservatives engineered, though.
When you have a minority government, the goal should be to work with the other parties to pass legislation for the common good. What you shouldn't do is act as if you have a right to pass only your own priorities. Right, as if that will happen.
What actually happens, is that the party in power works to find the angle that will get them a majority, constantly bad-mouthing the opposition parties instead of working with them.
I often think that people should have to pass some common-sense general knowledge test before they are allowed to vote (I realize that is not an option that could fly).
In reality, many choose not to vote because they don't see much choice to vote for -- in that case, they should get out and vote against what they perceive as the worst option.
How sad is that? There are people literally fighting, and willing to die to have a democratic right to vote, and here, 40% of the eligible voters can't be bothered because they don't like their options.
Hey, if you don't like the options, you can change that! There are 19 registered federal parties in this election:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/03/11/cv2011-party-profile-other.html
If you don't like the major parties, one of these surely fits your profile.
So what if it's a minor party..... all parties start out as minor parties. We have seen minor parties grow into major parties in this country.
Hey, if you don't like the options, you can change that! There are 19 registered federal parties in this election:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/03/11/cv2011-party-profile-other.html
If you don't like the major parties, one of these surely fits your profile.
So what if it's a minor party..... all parties start out as minor parties. We have seen minor parties grow into major parties in this country.
actually, i remember a news clip of layton making that offer, however; it was before there was ever an actual budget on which to negotiate - only 'leaked' indications of what the budget would be, and that was when flaherty made the 'collective bargaining' comment - obviously pissing on ndp's labour support
That is exactly what their counting on, voter apathy means a low turn out at the polls which benefits them. Blaming this election on the Lib, NDP, and BQ is also exactly what the Tories want. All sides are equally guilty and unfortunately we're stuck with all of them.
Actually, what toppled the Govt was a non-confidence vote due to "contempt of parliament", not the budget.
Yes, but it was the budget that the Cons planned to goad them with; the opposition thought it would be more to their advantage to topple them with the contempt of parliament vote.
Do some research. From what I have read in the news and a couple of blogs showed that the Finance Minister did solicit support with some policies to appeal to all the parties.
What the NDP wanted was to make changes to things like seniors benefits etc which would have required consent of all the province and territories. It could not have been unilaterally implemented.
Still it doesn't matter one bit who you are and who you want to vote for in this discussion.
I am still pissed of at yet another several hundred million dollars of our money to be spent on an election which will probably be the same result as what we have now.
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Do some REAL research.
Harper met with Layton for about an hour. The whole thing was window-dressing.
Be pissed at the election if you want - but IT IS NOT being brought on solely by the opposition. Harper has been engineering this for two years.
I suppose you feel the multi-multi-millions spent on those oh-so-informative CAP commercials had no hidden agenda?
And the Liberal, NDP and the Separatists had no intentions of engineering their own agenda?
PFFFt Please.
