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Thanks I agree will all except maybe the Public Income Assitance which I'm up in the air about. My only perspective is from a stateside view and you know what the Welfare situation is (was) like here. I understand what the safety net is, my question had more to do with what living green has to...

BTW SDW, you never told me what the significance of the January 19, 2008 date is.

Preserving and enhancing the social safety net? Wicked dude! I need a setup like that when I come up. I'll still need to have natural gas though which has ridden on the coat tails of gasoline/oil for increases. Earthquake / Tsunami. Maybe not so much you in Langley but I sort of think of it. I...

Yeah, it sounds like we're pretty much on the same page except for that. Bad building design? I don't know, on the face of it, it seems pretty sound. Did they cut corners on fireproofing and who knows what else? Certainly! Was this the cause of the collapse? I don't know and don't think so. I...

Me too. Regarding the fighters shooting down the airliners, I think that you have said what I did right before this post. I checked out the web site. Notice the subtitle is: "traps to distract and discredit the 9/11 truth movement". It's because that is exactly what these versions that they...

I know that there were a few exercises going that day and one may or may not have been entirely computer based. Some of the dialog that I have read indicated that NORAD personel were unsure whether the ATC's reporting the hijacked planes were part of the exercise or not. I've a LOT of what was...

Israel warned us, Germany warned us. I think that there were a couple of other countries as well. There were agents in the FBI that were told to "Lay off" of investigation of Atta. There were "Put" options on the effected airlines. Starting a few months before 9/11, Cheney and several others...

They don't count any of the private contractors either. I agree, the Neocons and the military industrial complex are the biggest beneficiaries here. In any crime investigation one main factor that you look at is, "who benefits". On top of that, before the lil shrub stole the presidency, they...

SDW: I assume that we're speaking of towers 1&2 here now. I don't think that a soup can is a good analogy. With a soup can, the external walls - the can itself, is the main structural component. Most buildings are like this; the external shell supports both the vertical load as well as lateral...

I never made it onto a sub, went to BEEP (Basic ELectronics) at San Diego RTC, Electronics "A School" at Great Lakes and to Groton in late 1978 or 1979. I was in Idaho finishing the SG6 reactor training (Navy had a facility there. I understand that it's in New London now.) when they talked to...

Hey, a fellow sailor! I was originally a Electronic Technician, Nuclear (USN) but was pulled out of that berth to serve in government services. Probably a good thing as I was supposed to go on a fast attack sub afterwards. Later I thought about going into underwater construction / testing on oil...

Steel SDW: Sure enough, your numbers are waaay low: 1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron 1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel 825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel...

You build in a fire code because people have died in fires. It is supposed to allow folks to evacuate or survive until containment. All good facts my friend but, what's it got to do with your earlier assertion that this overpass collapse is similar to the WTC 7 collapse? I think that any debate...

Yeah, it's pretty friggin hot but it also is compressed in a turbine.

Not even a little bit, dude (and I think that I could speak for any of us). First off: this tanker was carrying GASOLINE and in an open and oxygen rich environment. It's an overpass built with concrete and a little Rebar. You're speaking of a completely different animal. One is a STEEL BUILDING...

Is that Bush? Obviously a conspiracy took place. The question is whether the governments conspiracy theory with Saudi hijackers that they cannot provide video of (and of whom later were shown to be alive and well) is the correct theory. They STILL do not appear on any of the passenger...

Are you saying that the gag order and blueprint thing didn't happen? I am not certain what you're getting at here; are you? This is exactly what I meant by "ignore or marginalize serious inquiries". Good imitation of the federal government, dude!

I should have been more concise. I meant to say that certification is not necessary to have an EDUCATED opinion. e.g. I am not a "mechanic" but I have a pretty intimate working knowlege of all of the systems in my truck. This knowlege is thorough enough that I know if a mechanic is BSing me and...

My ex had a book that was written by a gay man on felatio techniques. It certainly brought her skills up to the next level, whew! Don't remember what it was called but I can find out if you like.

http://patriotsquestion911.com is stuffed to the gills with credible testimony as well Silky.