Just an opinion.

[Miss*Bijou]

Sweetie, if you dated any of your clients eventually the true 'JERK' shows up!

I don't doubt it.
I have.. and that's why I know I won't ever be tempted to again. And that's also why I prefer this to actual real life dating right now. You guys are waaaaay nicer when you are paying, believe it or not.

Isn't that nuts? Hmm.
That's why I just laugh when ppl here or elsewhere make derogatory comments about my choice.. Really, I'm getting paid very well and I'm getting the best of both worlds in a way... or the best of your gender! (on my dates, NOT on this board. lol)
And I also don't think I am missing much out there. Not for now anyways.

 

[SexyBoy]

The thing is, why is it not enough to say supermodel looks? You say that and everyone knows what you're talking about.
The rating system is for the most part useless as not every pooner has the same idea of what a 7 is or what a 8.5 is. One guy's "9" is anothers "6" so what the hell does that mean to anyone reading it? Nothing.. You all have different standards or base yourself on different criteria to come up with those ridiculous numbers.

To you she might be a 7 because she was on the short side, or had a fuller bum.. But how does that remotely help the next guy if he loves full bums or short girls and that makes anyone a 9 in his books?

There's a way of describing features that perhaps did not appeal to you, that can be helpful for the next guy who is looking for that while still respectful to the sp. He reads your 7 rating and that means absolutely nothing. Or it means his idea of a 7, which isn't anything close to your idea of a 7. Ratings are dumb.

Just give actual information and that will be more helpful to others, than some random number ever will IMHO.

Guys have been rating girls forever and not just on a review board. It is true that some have slightly different tastes.

However most guys are lying if you ask me. The men can say what ever they want on here I think they are full of it.

I get a lot of private messages and it seems many prefer not to voice their true opinions out loud. Too bad though.

Follow where the money goes that tells you the truth.

When I go to a bar with a group of guys we don't disagree that much at all. The hottest guys are always trying for the same group of girls.

Think about it what kind of looks make it to playboy or become a model? What about all of the top porn stars?

They all look similar in a lot of ways to me.

There is nothing wrong with doing both descriptions and what you would rate them.

I haven't seen you in person but from your pictures I would rate you somewhere between a 8.5. Would I pick you over a supermodel hell ya especially after reading your posts? Your personality is super hot!

There are a lot of beautiful women in this country. The competition is fierce. Maybe that is the problem too many gorgeous women everywhere. It makes it really hard to figure out who to see.

There are just too many women even when you have the money.

 

[Guardian Angel]

I never pay attention to ratings

I have never rated a lady I've seen for the reference of others. If I said any were 10's in my reviews, that is a general statement of my opinion on how I felt about the time spent with them.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

G.A.

 

[the_shogun]

SP's should accept the fact this is a review board dominated by men and if we demean women so be it. Don't come here and read the posts! And no, I'm not a woman-basher but c'mon, we are Men for christ sake's!

please don't put us all into the same category as your mentality

 

[aznboi9]

I thank aznboi9 for trying to understand my point and your almost there hon.

Don't hold your breath; I'm really not all that smart.

What I was really trying to bring to everyone attention is the level or lack there of, respect I see on this board towards women. I am new to the biz of only 8-9 months and as many kind and sweet gents I meet everyday, this board scares me. Now I’m sure over time I will develop a thicker skin but as for now all I wanted to point out is that do "some" of the gents on here really have to say that a sp's not worth it?? Couldn't we find a more respectful term to use, perhaps “she wasn’t what I was expecting” ect. I seriously think that all (good) sp's are worth it no matter their fees.

First of all, welcome to the board. Your opinions are welcomed and invited to be shared.

But one thing that you have to realize is that writing a review has a strong emotional component simply because it is very much the sharing of a subjective experience. As a pooner, when I’ve had a negative experience, not only is the review an opportunity to warn my fellow pooners about the SP but also a way for me vent my frustration and/or disappointment. While it’s nice to be completely objective, that’s simply not possible as the mixing of opinion and feeling is almost unavoidable.

And don’t forget that the SP who provides the sub-par experience is disrespecting the pooner in the first place. If she’s going to rip him off, take his hard earned money and provide him with a poor experience, she really doesn’t deserve the pooners respect as she hasn’t done any thing to earn it. So this is a two way street.

It's a matter of personal preference and opinion

Yes, that’s exactly what a review is.

 

[chilli]

Anyone who charges for a "Service" has to have the stomach to take the criticism of providing bad service.

This is what a review board is for.

If you say your pics are accurate and their not - prepare for criticism and a poor review.

If you say you provide GFE and you rush the session, answer your cel phone during the session, appear disinterested - prepare for criticism and a poor review.

This board is for men to review ladies from a man's point of view. Other topics are bound to be discussed.

Because I've never dated a man and have no perspective on a females experiences with men in relationships you're not going to see many threads discussing/complaining about men.

It's not about hating women... it's about being frustrated by the majority of women who are just as messed up in relationships as men are... it's a way for men to vent.

Does this include every woman - of course not - these topics are in general about men's experiences with women - generally. There are good women out there, just as there are good men out there.

The fact is that generally women push for marriage/commitment - but interestingly statistics show that 76% of divorces are intiated by women.

So yes some men may be jerks, losers, users, etc... but women keep marrying them.... and having their babies... something to think about...

 

[uncleg]

I don't think she is, because I see the same thing too, it is YOUR OPiNION and that's just it YOUR OPINION, what your opinion is and what another persons opinion is, are two entirely different things. And we do see that alot on this board, some of you totally slinging an SP through the mud, while another has nothing but praise for that same SP. I'm not saying all of you are guilty of that, but if you look through this board at some of the reviews there are some pretty UNJUSTIFIABLE reviews and the other thing I want to POINT OUT, you are taking a STRANGERS word for reviews about services etc.

Exactly, YOUR OPINION of a service YOU PAID FOR. It's a one on one transaction, and another persons opinion on the same SP for the same service means squat if I am doing a review. If I pay for a service that was promised/advertised and the SP does not provide that service then it is well within my perview to write a bad review in whatever fashion I see fit. I don't have to pull punches just because somebody else, or many somebody else's posted positive reviews. As has been said many times YMMV. If at the beginning of a session the SP where to say that she couldn't provide a particular service and indicate why, then I either walk away, or accept a different level of service. Then I can't complain. If you advertise Greek, but not for a client who's penis is too big, then say so. Don't lead a client on, take the money and get things started, and then start with the restrictions, and the no can do.

 

[SexyBoy]

Everything that could be said has been said on this topic.

From Pizza to hockey tickets.

Even talking about ordering sex as if you were at McDonalds! That even came from Tuula2.

I think it is time to move on.

 

[erotic_exotica]

Well I want to thank you all for showing me many different angles to look at my comments. Some I understand and others have infuriated me further. All in all it’s been very informative. I’d just like to share what prompted my post in the first place, see what you think.

One of my girlfriends had come to me with many questions about what I do and then opted to give it a try and ask for my help in getting started (pix, ads, do’s and don’t ect) so I share what I’ve learnt so far and got her on her way. Her first client was the picture of perfection of sessions. Then she got excited and thought this wont be so bad. Wrong, a few bookings later she got the almighty “jerk”. Now you could clearly tell she was very new over the phone, she was shy, coy, and nervous and kept forgetting to give all information. At times I had to laugh at her thinking ’is this how I was when I started’ Anyways, I feel that this particular client booked with her simply because she was so new, it really was cute. When he came everything was fine for the first half hour or so then he requested Greek. My friend told him that she’s doesn’t do greek and that’s when her session went down hill. He totally freaked out ranting about what he paid and that she has to do it and on and on. This obviously scared the carp out of her cause when I went to intervene she was shaking and in tears (for the record I was scared too) I asked him to leave and he wanted to fight about that too. Some guys have this arrogant attitude that if they pay for it, it’s theirs to do what ever they want with.(that’s where my comment on paying for a human being not a pizza comes from) When the client left he demanded his money back. No I didn’t give it back. No. 1 as far as I’m concerned as soon as you put it in, your money’s spent. No. 2 for the Hell he just put her through, was he crazy!
Moving on, a few days ago when I came on here I found a review on her clearly the “jerk” wrote it. He’d commented that she was fat…and that she wasn’t worth it the money he paid and so on. I got soooo angry and very hurt for her. She really was trying. She’s sweet as pie, the nicest person you’ll every meet which makes her cute as a button. She’s in her late teens early 20’s and yes a chubby girls but not chubby in a fat way chubby in a cute, adorable (young baby fat)way. She has a beautiful, cute face that she could easily past for 16-17 years old.

My posting was out of anger but are my feelings are real. As I said in earlier post I’m sure I’ll grow a thicker skin over time cause for every X amount of kind gents you come across there will always be that one “jerk”.

Question to my fellow sp’s. My girlfriend still dabbles in the biz here and there, no longer at full force as she once was. But she’s not aware of the review on her. Should I tell her or let it go? I don’t want to hurt her. But I do feel that bad reviews give us an idea of what to work on. In this case the “jerk” was just a jerk. Can she really learn anything from his comments? And she’s just started to get her confidents back. But maybe she has a right to know what’s been said.

 

[chilli]

Question to my fellow sp’s. My girlfriend still dabbles in the biz here and there, no longer at full force as she once was. But she’s not aware of the review on her. Should I tell her or let it go? I don’t want to hurt her. But I do feel that bad reviews give us an idea of what to work on. In this case the “jerk” was just a jerk. Can she really learn anything from his comments? And she’s just started to get her confidents back. But maybe she has a right to know what’s been said.

This business imo is not for the weak or the timid.

So I think you best be honest and upfront with your friend that she is going to meet all kinds in this kind of business, it's part of the downside.

 

[Krustee]

Well that was a rather verbose commentary.

You obviously have some deep seated feelings in the response below & I can understand that but please forgive me for mentioning that emotion is NOT something you should guide your life or make important decisions by.

This is probably the most common trait in women.
It is both a beauiful & dangerous thing.

I’d just like to share what prompted my post in the first place, see what you think.

One of my girlfriends had come to me with many questions about what I do and then opted to give it a try and ask for my help in getting started (pix, ads, do’s and don’t ect) so I share what I’ve learnt so far and got her on her way. Her first client was the picture of perfection of sessions. Then she got excited and thought this wont be so bad. Wrong, a few bookings later she got the almighty “jerk”.
When he came everything was fine for the first half hour or so then he requested Greek. My friend told him that she’s doesn’t do greek and that’s when her session went down hill. He totally freaked out ranting about what he paid and that she has to do it and on and on.

Some guys have this arrogant attitude that if they pay for it, it’s theirs to do what ever they want with.(that’s where my comment on paying for a human being not a pizza comes from)
When the client left he demanded his money back. No I didn’t give it back. No. 1 as far as I’m concerned as soon as you put it in, your money’s spent.
No. 2 for the Hell he just put her through, was he crazy

Reading your comments it is clear to see the motive for your original post.
I would like to remind everyone that one jerk does not represent the majority here & just common sense would dictate that.

The issue that has the majority of the boys upset here is the so called "minimum rate" that has been adopted by the vast majority of SP's.

There does NOT need to be a minimum price set, each girl should adopt a price that works best for her.
The exceptonal providers will get a higher price than those who don't impress as much.

This is a market driven by demand.
If you provide value like Luscious Lisa, you will be busy indeed:

Had the pleasure of Lisa's company Monday night.

VIL has many reviews so not much that I can add.
Very friendly, great attitude, not a hard body more like
girl next door, nice set of c's.
DATY was enjoyed. Definitely not a clock watcher.
Enjoys what she does.
$$ for the hour +.

VI/Luscious Lisa offers a good value & her clients are enthusiastic about it.
In that regard she sets an example that should be followed by many of the SP's complaining here.
(she is difficult to get ahold of though)

Moving on, a few days ago when I came on here I found a review on her clearly the “jerk” wrote it. She’s in her late teens early 20’s and yes a chubby girls but not chubby in a fat way chubby in a cute, adorable (young baby fat)way.

My posting was out of anger but are my feelings are real. As I said in earlier post I’m sure I’ll grow a thicker skin over time cause for every X amount of kind gents you come across there will always be that one “jerk”.

For your friend I offer an apopology on behalf of the gents here.
She & you should realize that when playing in a grown-up game like this, you either grow up fast or get hurt.

This industy is riddled with mob & gang influence & control, if that is not the environment you want to be in don't be an escort.

Question to my fellow sp’s. My girlfriend still dabbles in the biz here and there, no longer at full force as she once was. But she’s not aware of the review on her. Should I tell her or let it go? I don’t want to hurt her. But I do feel that bad reviews give us an idea of what to work on.
Can she really learn anything from his comments?

There is no value in telling her if there is nothing she did wrong.

 

[Fullhouse]

My dragged out opinions

Wow - this post has generated a lot of diverse comments and opinions - which is the purpose of this board in the first place, and everybody is entitled to their opinion - be they right, wrong or indifferent to the many readers.

erotic-exotica, good for you to have the courage to post your "Just an opinion" comments, knowing full well that they would have a vast variety of replies, - some agreeing with you, some not. With all due sincere respect to you, my following comments may not agree with your "thought train" - hell, many of you probably won't agree. Just remember that they are just my opinions. ( I promise to stay respectful, no bashing or foul language.)

I didn't read much passion, comfort level, enjoyment or pleasure that you may be achieving in your chosen profession.

I interpret this post as addressing 3 topics: PRICING, RATING and REVIEWS.

You wrote: "Are you aware that you are renting someone's body with the purpose of using it for your sexual pleasure." You highlighting the your sexual pleasure, does that indicate that you receive no pleasure from your profession??

Also Sweetie, please don't loose sight of the fact that you chose to "rent" your body for your financial gains, and I hope they are very rewarding.
Also, I never, ever think that this is a purchase of a human being - not even for an hour or two. For me, when I am in the company of a sexy, classy SP, I exchange money for the pleasure of having a fantasy, desire or need fulfilled, and hopefully a little chemistry as well. After a lot of pooning, I am pleased to say that I have found 1 or 2 favorites, and the only time the word "purchase" enters my mind is when I'm shopping for a small gift of appreciation for the SP.

I truly respect your and every other SPs courage and willingness to provide a much needed service that so many of us pooners greatly appreciate. Each day must bring a new challenge to you, dealing with the unknown characteristics, behavior, demands and physical attributes of a new client. (If I had been born with tits and a pussy, I for sure would not have the courage to handle your profession.)

erotic-exotica, you write that 90% of the SPs you know suffer from some type of problem, drug problems, alcohol, sell-esteem and eating disorder, and it's a consequence that goes with the job. Wow, I'm not saying that there aren't SP, that fall in that category, but 90% ??? (I wonder how many of the ladies that communicate or advertise on this board would agree with that)

Shit, all this rambling and I still haven't addressed the PRICING, RATING and REVIEW.

PRICING: I think that a lady should be able to charge whatever she thinks her service, menu, attitude and physical attributes could command, but she will quickly find out what the market will bear, and to be successful, may have to adjust her rates. A standard rate of $300 is as unworkable as a standard rate for a large variety of different meals at different restaurants. Us pooners have the option of searching out a SP that is within our price range. We may not always get what we want for what we are willing to pay, but that's life. I would love to see one of those $1000hr. SPs that have a huge rack, a 22 inch waist and a fantastic round ass, offer everything imaginable and have the oral skills to suck a whole strawberry though a straw, but my wallet says no.

Ladies, I realize that you are in a very high risk business, but your financial rewards are nothing to sneeze at.
If you charge $300hr., have just 3 clients a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year = $225.000 TAX FREE.
A regular professional has to earn around $500.000 to take home $225.000.
With the above calculation you work 9 hours a week, the other pro. most likely works that many hours a day.
And by the way ladies, speaking from personal experience and the great time I've had with classy SPs, to me, you're worth the dollars.

RATING. I personally like the number ratings. Granted, the posters opinion on service, attitude and looks are his own and may vary from mine, but it is a good measuring stick to start with, particular if the same high or low numbers are repeated in other posts or threads about the same SP. Besides, there are dozens of industries that use a numbering or star system to evaluate services or products.

REVIEWS: erotic-exotica, you wrote: "Basically I'd just like to see men state how much he paid and what he received for his fee and leave it up to another to form their own opinion." I wouldn't even consider that a valid review. With a bit of research, we can all find out the fee we are expected to pay and what services to expect.

I think a review should be honest and to the point. If we were happy with our rendezvous, received the service we paid for and had a better than expected sensual experience, a nice review is warranted. But not every rendezvous turns out that way, and bad reviews are as valuable to us pooners as good ones.

Refraining from using vulgar or insulting language, lets call a spade a spade. If you don't get what you were led to believe you'd get, tell us. Full GFE, but actually no kissing or DATY allowed, tell us. Much older than advertised, pictures not resembling the SP, rushed and or lousy attitude, terrible BJ skills, dirty and smelly place, or heavens forbid, lady, and on and on. Any of those should be pointed out in the review without pulling any punches,and if it upsets the lady in the review, tough luck.

 

[SexyBoy]

Nicely said Gentl-man.

I don't like the idea that once you put it in your money is spent. What if he is a nice guy and has good hygiene etc.

Oh no you put it in me for 5 seconds it’s over now!

There was a girl on coke that did that to me in Winnipeg. It goes both ways. She just wanted her fix. You only find out afterwards because she is asking you to take her some place to see her dealer....

The girls that are addicted to something are awful SP's on average. Of course there are drugs that do the opposite.

The more I read what erotic_exotica has to say the less interested I become in her.

I don't think you are cut out for this line of work.

I would like to hear some of the positive experiences you have had.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Nicely said Gentl-man.

I don't like the idea that once you put it in your money is spent. What if he is a nice guy and has good hygiene etc.

Oh no you put it in me for 5 seconds it’s over now!

There was a girl on coke that did that to me in Winnipeg. It goes both ways. She just wanted her fix. You only find out afterwards because she is asking you to take her some place to see her dealer....

The girls that are addicted to something are awful SP's on average. Of course there are drugs that do the opposite.

The more I read what erotic_exotica has to say the less interested I become in her.

I don't think you are cut out for this line of work.

I would like to hear some of the positive experiences you have had.

Hold your horses... I don't think it was meant that way at all. I think she just meant that once the session underway and has been started already (ie. FS started), should there be a "situation" as she as described, she doesn't believe she should offer a refund. The dude was the one who acted like a jerk and freaked out, are you saying she should have given his money back?

I'm not sure where you're getting that she isn't cut out for this work or how hers has anything to do with your coked up SP in Winnipeg? I'm sorry but I got exactly where she was coming from at the very first post. She even posted several times clarifying some points that were misunderstood which should have (and did) help some of you to see her point of view. Now that she's spilled the beans on how this started, I don't understand how any of you can still not get it.

I'm sure she's had many positive experiences (I'm assuming as I didn't get the feeling she resents the business but only specific aspects of it... which I'm sure everyone does ) but this isn't what this thread is about.... it was about certain negative aspects.

 

[SexyBoy]

Not in that example of course not.

However she did say once it is in the money is spent.

I don't think that is right. Do you?

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Well that was a rather verbose commentary.

You obviously have some deep seated feelings in the response below & I can understand that but please forgive me for mentioning that emotion is NOT something you should guide your life or make important decisions by.

This is probably the most common trait in women.
It is both a beauiful & dangerous thing.

Perhaps it seems that way because we are more likely to show strong emotions and get passionate a little more than men might.. don't know. But everyone makes decisions based on their emotions.

Not only women.. that is the way the brain works my dear.
Do you think wars are started by based on reason?




The essential difference between emotion and reason is that emotion leads to action while reason leads to conclusions.
-- Donald Calne, author of Within Reason


Emotions create decisions

People whose brains are damaged in their emotional centres are not only unable to express joy or sadness, they are unable to make decisions and they are unable to choose. Because you make decisions based on what you would like, what you fear would happen if you chose to do another thing instead, what you fear would happen if you don't do this particular thing in time, or what you desire the outcome to be. As it says in Lovemarks, which I have been reading since this morning, "emotion and reason are intertwined, but when they are in conflict, emotion wins every time. Without the fleeting and intense stimulus of emotion, rational thought winds down and disintegrates." As much as we'd like to believe we make decisions based on a dispassionate and unswerving adherence to the facts, it's just not true.


Study: Emotion rules the brain's decisions

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/discoveries/2006-08-06-brain-study_x.htm

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Not in that example of course not.

However she did say once it is in the money is spent.

I don't think that is right. Do you?

No. Absolutely not.
I just don't think that is what she meant to say...

 

[SexyBoy]

No. Absolutely not.
I just don't think that is what she meant to say...

lol but that is what she said!

Ok I understand she is upset by the situation.

You know I am from Mars right? Talk to me in Martian and not Venusian.

Maybe I am just trying to start a fight with you for angry sex!

 

[SexyBoy]

Unfortunately for most of the SPs, there is a shelf life with a best before date.

Hard to imagine any SP still working in her late 40s except for kicks maybe??? The emails will slow to a crawl, and when the phone rings, it will be from telemarketing folks in "mogambo" selling some newest gadget that could not get a shelf space in a discount store.

All dressed up but no where to go and no one shows up either, sort of like the old commercial where the "frigid" repair guy got no calls, except this time more like the guy is in drag???

One of the best SP's I have ever known was in her 40's she dumped her husband because he wasn't putting out. She was also a nurse. She was so hot for her age and could put 18 year olds to shame.

Her attitude was one of the best. She didn't need the job but wanted sex.

I can't belive that guy didn't take horny goat weed or something.

 

[erotic_exotica]

Thank you MB for your understanding. I happen to love my job! I personally haven't yet come across anything I couldn't handle. I have had the pleasure of meeting and maintaining great relationships with my clients whom I even 'HANG' with (some) on a personal friendship level now. I was simply speaking to my friends experience and to tell you the truth maybe out frustration as well as guilt (for introducing her to this some times harsh biz)played a role for my post going up, but we'll leave that for Oprah!

As for SexyBoy plz take another look at that particular post of which you speak of.....you'll find that I state that "after a half hour or so he freaked out" now why would I give back his money at that point afterhe has already spent that much time with her with fs and then a freak out. Hell ya! he spent his money. She worked hard for it and didn't deserve his treatment. I feel he was simply trying to take advantage of the fact that she was new. I personally have given money back when I guy could only spend a half hr with me and he paid a full hr but let me tell you if he had disrespected me in anyway I would not have.