Agreed and if the judiciary were actually ethical and not held to political favours, there at least would be a degree of accountability.
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Having been to and lived in many countries around the world, I'm amazed at the level of corruption in Canada. The funny thing is people think Canada is one of the least corrupt countries in the world. Sure, you don't see corruption at play out in the open (like cops stopping people for bogus reasons and asking for a bribe) but the sort of high level corruption (politicians of all levels, bureaucrats, and between government and big corp) that goes on in Canada would not be tolerated even in some shitty third world countries. In other countries, government would be toppled for less scandalous things than SNC and WE. In an actual civilized and developed country, someone would have gone to jail for sure. In Canada, you either get promoted to a different position or you retire with a bonus. I don't blame them though. The whole country is structured so that only way you win is to make as much money as possible and as fast as possible (one way to achieve that is through corruption) and enjoy your life somewhere else with better weather and better overall quality of living with that money.
It is not just political favours to judges. I took over a job up North and ended up with 3 subordinates that were problematic. But one's mother was a judge, the second was supplying drugs to the local judiciary and third's sister was married into the local RCMP! Try dealing with that! But despite this, it is actually worse in the US, well at least in the rural counties where I worked. In the US, they were more threatening and violent.
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1. False equivalence
2. Already happening and FWIW the NDP and Cons have blocked bill C-20, which in part seeks to address the issue.
3. Those "good health practices" weren't and aren't as effective as the vaccine in slowing the spread.
I would agree. I see vaccines are part of good health practices. Sorry I wasn't more specific.
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I Can't believe I voted for him...!
Trudeau 4 years of Accomplishments
By Howie Mandel
Here’s a list
-Your minister of finance engaged in insider trading – should be a 10-year sentence.
-You blew the Asia Pacific deal.
-You blew the helicopter deal with the Philippines.
-You blew the pipeline deal (he's now trying to save himself from it).
-You blew the deal with China.
-You blew the deal with Europe.
-You invited "irregular" immigration into Canada and the taxpayer foots the enormous bill for it.
-You alienated the United States – our largest trading partner.
-At the G7 you pledged $400 million to Education around the world along with another $180 million to the Global Partnership for Education in Europe. None of it is going to fix our messed up school systems here at home. Meanwhile, education costs are skyrocketing for our youth making university a mountain too high for many to climb.
-You pledged $241 million to Family Planning around the world including a $20 million donation to the Bill and Hillary Clinton Foundation (because they have integrity!). This all happened while you told veterans that they were asking for too much.
-You pledged $2.65 billion to climate change at the Commonwealth Leaders Summit and now you’re trying to bully the provinces into new taxes to pay for this pledge.
-You pledged $300 million to the Rohingya Refugee crisis while we have a refugee crisis of our own flooding into Quebec that you won't address.
-You pledged $125 million to Caribbean Reconstruction while our own infrastructure in cities is falling apart.
-You pledged $650 million to Sexual and Reproductive health in Haiti and around the globe wanting safer abortions for women while many women in our own country are left without a family doctor.
-You pledged $50 million to Palestine for flood relief when NB had some of the worst floods in decades this past spring.
-You pledged $840 million to Syria for Humanitarian Assistance when half the native reserves in our country don't have clean drinking water.
-You gave $10.5 million to a convicted...CONVICTED terrorist in a backroom deal that has led to another $30.8 million paid out for three others who say they were wrongfully detained.
-You spent $4.5 billion on a 65-year-old pipeline, and now the courts have ruled it shut down. Now it's back on (at a delay cost of $250 million) - a good investment for Canada you said? (And KM uses that money to build a pipeline in Texas)
-You pressured Jody Wilson Raybould repeatedly & INAPPROPRIATELY with several different high ranking officials to offer SNC Lavalin a DPA instead of prosecution for repeated & sustained corruption AFTER the former AG had determined they were ineligible for such a deal. You lied about the above having ever taken place.
-You replaced Canada’s old F-18s with Australia’s old F-18s.
-Your bizarre love of all things Castro.
-You imposed tough regulations and taxes on oil from Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Newfoundland but not oil from Saudi Arabia.
-Every new project has to undergo strict environmental assessments...except cement plants in Quebec.
-You said that a proposed pipeline must consider “the intersection of sex and gender with other identity factors” (what does that even mean???)
-You think older Canadians should be replaced. How is -that moral?
-You chase foreign companies (and their investment capital) out of the country like they have the plague.
-You chased our WW1 soldiers out of our national anthem... lest we forget.
-You continuously use identity politics...then complain about identity politics.
-You forgot Alberta was a province.
-You called small business owners “tax cheats”.
-People voice concern over money spent on illegal immigration and you call them intolerant racists.
-We have an equalization program, but you give half of it to one province.
-You spent $8 million on a skating rink (vanity project) when Canada's largest skating rink is 500 meters -away.
-You added tens of billions to the national debt while lying to Canada's face about it.
-You groped a woman and when caught - laughed about it (MacLean's interview) and said she experienced it differently.
-You elbowed a female MP while dragging another MP by the arm in a petulant huff.
-You renamed Fishermen to "Fisher-folk"
-People kind? (international embarrassment)
-You got India to invest $250 million in Canada but we have to invest $750 million in India first.
-You compared returning ISIS terrorists to Italian immigrants and said they will be an extraordinarily powerful voice for Canada.
-You let terrorists keep their Canadian citizenship.
-You spent $212,234 on the artwork for the cover of the 2017 budget report.
-You think Canada is 100 years old instead of 150.
-You spent upwards to $348,000 on food and alcohol in five flights on our government’s plane. On your G20 trip to Argentina, you spent $103,000 on food and alcohol alone. How is that even possible?
-You gave Canadian taxpayers' money to Hamas.
-You voice outrage over fake racist attacks and say nothing about real terrorist attacks.
-You took 10 vacations in a single year. Who does this??
-You spent a little over $1.5 million on the trip to India that did nothing but worsen ties. Plus paid over $17,000 to bring an Indian chef to India to cook Indian cuisine And to top it off, invited a convicted attempted assassin to a dinner and posed for pics with him.
-And you’re the only PM convicted of ethics violations. (multiple times in fact)
-You allegedly destroyed the career of one of Canada’s honest military leaders to cover up possible massive government corruption in shipbuilding contracts.
-You invited Joshua Boyle, an alleged perpetrator of sexual assault and unlawful confinement for a photoshoot in the Office of the Prime Minister.
-You threaten to sue the leader of the opposition then chickened out when you realized that your alleged crimes would be exposed in court.
-You offer over $600 million dollars in subsidies to failing mainstream media outlets if they can prove to be trustworthy. You put a union who vows to destroy your opposition in charge of selecting these new “trusted” sources to receive funding. You could school the Russians in election interference.
-You pay off your friends to engage in election ads for you and get Elections Canada to pay for it.
-$200 million to Loblaws for new refrigerators.
-You made public statements of deep admiration for Chinese communism.
-You wore preposterous, inappropriate costumes during a state visit to India, paid for by Canadians.
-You were instrumental in handing WE almost $1 billion for work that could be done by regular already established operations...your mother and brother received over $300,000 from WE for short speeches that normally do not receive payment.
-You have been instrumental in allowing a company with strong communist party ties to perform communications and security work with our embassies.
Trudeau 4 years of Accomplishments
By Howie Mandel
Here’s a list
-Your minister of finance engaged in insider trading – should be a 10-year sentence.
-You blew the Asia Pacific deal.
-You blew the helicopter deal with the Philippines.
-You blew the pipeline deal (he's now trying to save himself from it).
-You blew the deal with China.
-You blew the deal with Europe.
-You invited "irregular" immigration into Canada and the taxpayer foots the enormous bill for it.
-You alienated the United States – our largest trading partner.
-At the G7 you pledged $400 million to Education around the world along with another $180 million to the Global Partnership for Education in Europe. None of it is going to fix our messed up school systems here at home. Meanwhile, education costs are skyrocketing for our youth making university a mountain too high for many to climb.
-You pledged $241 million to Family Planning around the world including a $20 million donation to the Bill and Hillary Clinton Foundation (because they have integrity!). This all happened while you told veterans that they were asking for too much.
-You pledged $2.65 billion to climate change at the Commonwealth Leaders Summit and now you’re trying to bully the provinces into new taxes to pay for this pledge.
-You pledged $300 million to the Rohingya Refugee crisis while we have a refugee crisis of our own flooding into Quebec that you won't address.
-You pledged $125 million to Caribbean Reconstruction while our own infrastructure in cities is falling apart.
-You pledged $650 million to Sexual and Reproductive health in Haiti and around the globe wanting safer abortions for women while many women in our own country are left without a family doctor.
-You pledged $50 million to Palestine for flood relief when NB had some of the worst floods in decades this past spring.
-You pledged $840 million to Syria for Humanitarian Assistance when half the native reserves in our country don't have clean drinking water.
-You gave $10.5 million to a convicted...CONVICTED terrorist in a backroom deal that has led to another $30.8 million paid out for three others who say they were wrongfully detained.
-You spent $4.5 billion on a 65-year-old pipeline, and now the courts have ruled it shut down. Now it's back on (at a delay cost of $250 million) - a good investment for Canada you said? (And KM uses that money to build a pipeline in Texas)
-You pressured Jody Wilson Raybould repeatedly & INAPPROPRIATELY with several different high ranking officials to offer SNC Lavalin a DPA instead of prosecution for repeated & sustained corruption AFTER the former AG had determined they were ineligible for such a deal. You lied about the above having ever taken place.
-You replaced Canada’s old F-18s with Australia’s old F-18s.
-Your bizarre love of all things Castro.
-You imposed tough regulations and taxes on oil from Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Newfoundland but not oil from Saudi Arabia.
-Every new project has to undergo strict environmental assessments...except cement plants in Quebec.
-You said that a proposed pipeline must consider “the intersection of sex and gender with other identity factors” (what does that even mean???)
-You think older Canadians should be replaced. How is -that moral?
-You chase foreign companies (and their investment capital) out of the country like they have the plague.
-You chased our WW1 soldiers out of our national anthem... lest we forget.
-You continuously use identity politics...then complain about identity politics.
-You forgot Alberta was a province.
-You called small business owners “tax cheats”.
-People voice concern over money spent on illegal immigration and you call them intolerant racists.
-We have an equalization program, but you give half of it to one province.
-You spent $8 million on a skating rink (vanity project) when Canada's largest skating rink is 500 meters -away.
-You added tens of billions to the national debt while lying to Canada's face about it.
-You groped a woman and when caught - laughed about it (MacLean's interview) and said she experienced it differently.
-You elbowed a female MP while dragging another MP by the arm in a petulant huff.
-You renamed Fishermen to "Fisher-folk"
-People kind? (international embarrassment)
-You got India to invest $250 million in Canada but we have to invest $750 million in India first.
-You compared returning ISIS terrorists to Italian immigrants and said they will be an extraordinarily powerful voice for Canada.
-You let terrorists keep their Canadian citizenship.
-You spent $212,234 on the artwork for the cover of the 2017 budget report.
-You think Canada is 100 years old instead of 150.
-You spent upwards to $348,000 on food and alcohol in five flights on our government’s plane. On your G20 trip to Argentina, you spent $103,000 on food and alcohol alone. How is that even possible?
-You gave Canadian taxpayers' money to Hamas.
-You voice outrage over fake racist attacks and say nothing about real terrorist attacks.
-You took 10 vacations in a single year. Who does this??
-You spent a little over $1.5 million on the trip to India that did nothing but worsen ties. Plus paid over $17,000 to bring an Indian chef to India to cook Indian cuisine And to top it off, invited a convicted attempted assassin to a dinner and posed for pics with him.
-And you’re the only PM convicted of ethics violations. (multiple times in fact)
-You allegedly destroyed the career of one of Canada’s honest military leaders to cover up possible massive government corruption in shipbuilding contracts.
-You invited Joshua Boyle, an alleged perpetrator of sexual assault and unlawful confinement for a photoshoot in the Office of the Prime Minister.
-You threaten to sue the leader of the opposition then chickened out when you realized that your alleged crimes would be exposed in court.
-You offer over $600 million dollars in subsidies to failing mainstream media outlets if they can prove to be trustworthy. You put a union who vows to destroy your opposition in charge of selecting these new “trusted” sources to receive funding. You could school the Russians in election interference.
-You pay off your friends to engage in election ads for you and get Elections Canada to pay for it.
-$200 million to Loblaws for new refrigerators.
-You made public statements of deep admiration for Chinese communism.
-You wore preposterous, inappropriate costumes during a state visit to India, paid for by Canadians.
-You were instrumental in handing WE almost $1 billion for work that could be done by regular already established operations...your mother and brother received over $300,000 from WE for short speeches that normally do not receive payment.
-You have been instrumental in allowing a company with strong communist party ties to perform communications and security work with our embassies.
It's a fascinating read, and I'm not disputing the contents, but.... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/howie-mandel-justin-trudeau/
Yeah, there's that "Howie Mandel" bullshit again. Written by Ben Shapiro, or maybe ghost-written by Ezra Levant.
Either way, a hit-piece written by far-right lobbyists, who attached Mandel's name to it because nobody would take the shit they write seriously.
I could rip it up point-by-point too, but why waste my own time? The kind of people who believe those talking points are the kind of people who want to believe it all, facts or lies, doesn't matter.
Either way, a hit-piece written by far-right lobbyists, who attached Mandel's name to it because nobody would take the shit they write seriously.
I could rip it up point-by-point too, but why waste my own time? The kind of people who believe those talking points are the kind of people who want to believe it all, facts or lies, doesn't matter.
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Few of those are still facts, no? For example:
- You groped a woman and when caught - laughed about it (MacLean's interview) and said she experienced it differently.
- People kind? (international embarrassment)
So yesterday I was speaking with a business group I joined some time back, based in Ottawa. The word on the street in the hallowed halls of parliament is that this will be a Tory majority and if not, a pretty strong Tory minority. Ontario that great swing province is headed blue and coupled with the loss of red seats in Quebec, you have it. Hearsay, not polling data, and opinions of those who have to live there and breath that lower amount of oxygen as the hot air causes the good stuff to get blown away.
We should all know by now, that election promises are just bovine scatalogy served up in multiple plops and still steaming. Promises, attacks, hoo haw, you name it, it all drops out in multi coilers and ripe meadow muffins. Core principals always take over and in general the political apple falls very very near the tree. So if the above is true, get ready for minor service cuts and despite supposed minor tax cuts, more minor cost for what you have now. Does it really REALLY make a difference? A few percent here and there? I've lived through so many political changes, I'd say very little difference overall. As to the deficit and long term debt, do those saying this is the bane of all our existences, when you look at pretty much every country in the western world, do any run at a surplus? Again, does it make a difference to you, the erstwhile citizen and fellow pooner?
I have posted this before but in my political memory this election call has to be the stupidest move any party ever made right back to when Joe Clark lost the house confidence with a budget that was bound to not get passed and got turfed before he got started. Fucking idiots indeed.
Just a thought, but I'd love to see some election day specials from our fav SP's
We should all know by now, that election promises are just bovine scatalogy served up in multiple plops and still steaming. Promises, attacks, hoo haw, you name it, it all drops out in multi coilers and ripe meadow muffins. Core principals always take over and in general the political apple falls very very near the tree. So if the above is true, get ready for minor service cuts and despite supposed minor tax cuts, more minor cost for what you have now. Does it really REALLY make a difference? A few percent here and there? I've lived through so many political changes, I'd say very little difference overall. As to the deficit and long term debt, do those saying this is the bane of all our existences, when you look at pretty much every country in the western world, do any run at a surplus? Again, does it make a difference to you, the erstwhile citizen and fellow pooner?
I have posted this before but in my political memory this election call has to be the stupidest move any party ever made right back to when Joe Clark lost the house confidence with a budget that was bound to not get passed and got turfed before he got started. Fucking idiots indeed.
Just a thought, but I'd love to see some election day specials from our fav SP's
A Con majority would be a disaster for most people.
The perb demographic is probably a lot more affluent, business oriented and male than the general population. I can see why a lot here would like the Cons since since the Cons are all business.
OTOOL is for private healthcare like Kenney in AB. For a few this would be great, for most it would mean severely limiting access to care. For example : we can’t have same day walk in MRI clinics without taking technicians out of the public system.
Slashing taxes and cutting spending will affect a lot of people negatively. There are a lot of poor people in Canada that nobody gives a shit about. Cons like poor desperate workers that are easily exploited. I’ve worked for a few really rich guys in Van and Wpg who treated employees like dirt.
The Cons are for unbridled capitalism and even Adam Smith didn’t think that was good.
The perb demographic is probably a lot more affluent, business oriented and male than the general population. I can see why a lot here would like the Cons since since the Cons are all business.
OTOOL is for private healthcare like Kenney in AB. For a few this would be great, for most it would mean severely limiting access to care. For example : we can’t have same day walk in MRI clinics without taking technicians out of the public system.
Slashing taxes and cutting spending will affect a lot of people negatively. There are a lot of poor people in Canada that nobody gives a shit about. Cons like poor desperate workers that are easily exploited. I’ve worked for a few really rich guys in Van and Wpg who treated employees like dirt.
The Cons are for unbridled capitalism and even Adam Smith didn’t think that was good.
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The folly of centralized authority worldwide. British Columbia needs to print its own money and establish an export manufacturing base to give money credibility abroad, to escape Howie Mandel's litany of failure that is only going to be repeated in some form or other in the next administration. If you can't sign on to decentralization, particularly administration of currency and finance, you better get used to what Mandal just outlined regardless of whose in charge.
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Not all Cons are all business, fuck the poor, religious extremists, anti-vaxx, and etc. like the media tries to portray it as just like I'm sure not all Liberals are retarded like Trudeau or not all NDP are far left. I think most people are in the centre (which Liberals try to portray themselves as but have shit the bed both left and right). When it comes to taxes, instead of just "we will tax the rich more", I would like to see more going after tax evaders with serious penalty. But, let's be honest, if they start going after tax evaders (especially, tax related to real estate), most of our politicians and their family/relatives/friends/neighbours will end up in jail. As a result, we have this situation where you are the idiot if you are not corrupt.
Regardless of whether someone is politically left or right or centre, what I can't stand is the hypocrisy. For instance, some people that advocate for higher wages are the same ones that complain when higher wages lead to inflation. Even worse is how the politicians create the rules for the citizens to follow but they don't follow the rules themselves. There is no accountability in this country anymore.
If there is a Con majority, you might see a clamp down on our activities in pooning. I remember when Harper brought in the anti-John laws, it certainly made me nervous. Don't know if the Tories would try to enforce them? For a board like this, it might be an appropriate debate.
Well, their mentors in Texas just banned abortions, at the same time as bringing in new laws to restrict peoples' ability to vote (it's really insane stuff, worthy of some post-Soviet 3rd world state).
Whatever you see going on with the US Republicans, you will see pushed for up here with the Conservatives some months later. That's as ironclad a prediction as you'll ever find in Canadian politics.
I draw a big distinction between the leaders and the followers. People have no idea just how much they are manipulated towards fanaticism. They are basically cannon fodder for the big shots, and in the end they will be betrayed by the leaders they follow, who have no intention of obeying the same rules they expect everyone else to live by.
Look at these anti-vaxxer assholes who today besieged a bunch of hospitals because they think COVID isn't real or vaccination is the mark of the anti-christ or something. The people behind the scenes, who run the activist networks, the ones who pull the puppet strings that cause these mobs to act this way because there's an election campaign going on, you can bet are ALL vaccinated. The elite, the men in power, never risk their own lives and never do their own dirty work - it is all done by highly expendable partisan proxies.
Just like the difference between Taliban commanders and the dumb fucks who they convince to wear suicide bomb vests.
Cons definitely are courting the religious right. We had a Con MP who was fanatically anti sex work, and spouted a ton of misinformation. They are strongly anti abortion, maybe a majority. Those are two backwards policies.
Cons harbour genuinely insane members like Denise Batters or Cheryl Gallant ( and many more).
Trudeau is the least bad of this lot.
That happened in Winnipeg too. Don’t these people have jobs?
It is obviously being organized by someone.
Who?
Same with constant vandalism of Liberal election signs. Or the strange case of the same people showing up heckling Trudeau at rallies across Canada, who is paying their airfare and accommodation?
I don’t think it was necessary to call an election and I think most people are to distracted to really care about one. I think it will backfire on Trudeau and he just might lose. Wouldn’t hurt my feelings any, good riddance I say.
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