Dating in Victoria

[masterpoonhunter]

Great Scott!
And here I have been in MTR's and banging all these 35-60 year olds, having better sex than I could have ever imagined and I've had it all wrong.

 

[OneLuckyGuy]

SMV?

 

[Uncled]

SMV?

Sexual Market Value

 

[OneLuckyGuy]

Thanks and sad......I've fallen off the end of the curve

 

[MissingOne]

I question the idea that most women in their 40's and older, with decent careers and well set up financially, even want a long term live-in relationship with a guy. I'm old, so most of the women I know are older too. They tend to have a number of male friends, but little interest in a married-or-equivalent relationship. They may have one guy for going to concerts, another as a ski buddy, maybe another for the occasional friendly fuck. They probably have more female friends, who are more likely to be their confidantes. They've achieved a level of freedom in their lives that they have no interest in relinquishing for the sake of keeping one guy happy.

I've seen studies indicating that among older people, it's more likely to be the guys who are hoping to find a spouse, and the women who relish their freedom and aren't about to give it up.

 

[Futurebillionaire]

I question the idea that most women in their 40's and older, with decent careers and well set up financially, even want a long term live-in relationship with a guy. I'm old, so most of the women I know are older too. They tend to have a number of male friends, but little interest in a married-or-equivalent relationship. They may have one guy for going to concerts, another as a ski buddy, maybe another for the occasional friendly fuck. They probably have more female friends, who are more likely to be their confidantes. They've achieved a level of freedom in their lives that they have no interest in relinquishing for the sake of keeping one guy happy.

I've seen studies indicating that among older people, it's more likely to be the guys who are hoping to find a spouse, and the women who relish their freedom and aren't about to give it up.

Very true. This holds especially true for women with children. They have meaning in their lives. Something to keep themselves occupied until their final days. Men who proclaim women as cat ladies of the future are naive and are simply using coping mechanisms

 

[Futurebillionaire]

I'm not claiming to be the authority. I'm just passing on information that is pretty well known. Females peak early and men peak late. It's not an opposing point of view to approach 10's. That's consistent with my world view.

Again, the situation described by OP isn't uncommon. This is a dime a dozen. With apps and hook up culture, it's easy for a female in her 40's to climb up the SMV ladder, at least for a night or two. But, not for an LTR. The graph explains why.

She can't find a guy, but she can find a 1,000 dicks.

The reality is that the guys of Victoria share my world view whether they know it or not. They're all in it for a quick lay and then GTFO.

So what can she do? Get used to a life of cats and a build a life around family instead. She won't be happy settling down with a guy that is truly at her level because she's already wired her brain to think she deserves the "hot guy" she could pull on Tinder. It's not likely either person in that LTR will be happy.

And to be clear, I use "she" in the most broad statistical sense possible. This may or may not be true of the person in question, but statistically it is true. Most of the time, this is what is really going on when a middle aged female says she can't find a guy.

Truth is you can't have it all. Society and media tell people that. But there is a reason that so many middle aged females are unhappy, on antidepressants and drink wine 7 days a week.

You're understanding is getting there, but the chart is false. You're close though

Women value looks equally as much as men and most women are not gold diggers looking for rich old millionaires. Women who prefer older men are among the minority

A better version of the chart is attached

 

[DangerousDan]

Women value looks equally as much as men

Sorry but that’s just not how it is. Power is hella seductive. If you’ve had it, you’d know what I know along with any other dude that has.

Behaviour follows evolutionary psychology. Males and females have vastly different mating strategies. We’re not the same and never will be.

 

[DangerousDan]

I question the idea that most women in their 40's and older, with decent careers and well set up financially, even want a long term live-in relationship with a guy. I'm old, so most of the women I know are older too. They tend to have a number of male friends, but little interest in a married-or-equivalent relationship. They may have one guy for going to concerts, another as a ski buddy, maybe another for the occasional friendly fuck. They probably have more female friends, who are more likely to be their confidantes. They've achieved a level of freedom in their lives that they have no interest in relinquishing for the sake of keeping one guy happy.

I've seen studies indicating that among older people, it's more likely to be the guys who are hoping to find a spouse, and the women who relish their freedom and aren't about to give it up.

I never suggested that idea. It was the situation presented by OP... a middle aged women struggling to comprehend why she can‘t find a long term relationship. It’s a common scenario and your point doesn’t detract from it.

 

[Metaxa]

You're understanding is getting there, but the chart is false. You're close though

Women value looks equally as much as men and most women are not gold diggers looking for rich old millionaires. Women who prefer older men are among the minority

A better version of the chart is attached


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I’m pretty sure that your first real date will be if you ever make a billion.

 

[johnnydepth]

 

[johnnydepth]

This is actually quite common for middle aged females. Once you see it, you won’t unsee it. With dating apps, almost all females get hit up by dozens and dozens of dudes, but the converse isn’t true. Guys will go many steps down for a quick fuck. A guy who is a “9” will fuck a “5”. But a “9” female will never fuck a “5”. Why? Females can be selective because that’s basic sexual dynamics.

Hey Dan I've got some news for you. You might want to sit down for this. If you are out there fucking "5's" well... there's some thing you need to know. This is so hard to say, maybe it's better if you just go look in the mirror.

 

[Futurebillionaire]

I’m pretty sure that your first real date will be if you ever make a billion.

If the standards get even higher then they are now for my age bracket maybe, who knows lol

Rich Chad's harem will affect you too, probably already has given your predictable and unoriginal political views

 

[Futurebillionaire]

Sorry but that’s just not how it is. Power is hella seductive. If you’ve had it, you’d know what I know along with any other dude that has.

Behaviour follows evolutionary psychology. Males and females have vastly different mating strategies. We’re not the same and never will be.

Yes I am aware of these differences. Many do not mind being within a harem of the powerful or highly attractive. You underestimate the power of looks. Incase you have been living under a rock, women make their own money now and are prioritizing looks over financial status. Rich old men are everywhere. Time and youth cannot be bought. Just open up any TikTok video and see women's obsession with hot celebrities. Perhaps it is the generational gap which prevents you from understanding

Power in conjunction with meeting the minimum looks requirements. Women like orgasms too. Men who are not of the Jack Ma kind but rather the Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos, or tall handsome Obama looking kind

Depends on the kind of power you hold too

 

[mark670]

A 47 year old friend of mine is beautiful, successful, and has her shit together. Has a great job, owns her own home, is not insane, and has a cool 17 year old son and a German shepherd she adores.
She likes all kinds of guys - doesn’t have a ‘type’ per sense - but man or man is she ever having a hard time meeting a good guy. She’s been on a million 1st/2nd dates and could write a best seller on the shit that men pull on her .
It’s unreal.
She would be a terrific catch.
I share for those of you looking to date in Victoria - there are good ones - GREAT ones- out there.
Just be sure you have your shit together: )

well its tough one left over but no what things change.

 

[Metaxa]

If the standards get even higher then they are now for my age bracket maybe, who knows lol

Rich Chad's harem will affect you too, probably already has given your predictable and unoriginal political views

“Rich Chad’s harem” is nothing more than feeling sorry for yourself because you have no social skills.I didn’t grow up wealthy or particularly handsome. Nonetheless, I have met many women who wanted to have a relationship with me.

 

[Futurebillionaire]

“Rich Chad’s harem” is nothing more than feeling sorry for yourself because you have no social skills.I didn’t grow up wealthy or particularly handsome. Nonetheless, I have met many women who wanted to have a relationship with me.

I suspect you are past your 40s. They did not have handsome built men available at the swipe of a finger in your time, raising their standards

Some highly intelligent Tinder bios I've read :

"What do you call a man under 6ft? A friend"

"WHY IS EVERYONE ON HERE RAPEY AND INCEL LOOKING" .. Herself a 5.25ish

I have observed the social and reproductive trends. An understanding built through online dating surveys, the single motherhood phenomenon, activity within the newer social media platforms, estimations for the time periods the genders remain single etc.

I know what I am contending with and I know it is beyond your understanding.

 

[johnnydepth]

I suspect you are past your 40s. They did not have handsome built men available at the swipe of a finger in your time, raising their standards

Some highly intelligent Tinder bios I've read :

"What do you call a man under 6ft? A friend"

"WHY IS EVERYONE ON HERE RAPEY AND INCEL LOOKING" .. Herself a 5.25ish

I have observed the social and reproductive trends. An understanding built through online dating surveys, the single motherhood phenomenon, activity within the newer social media platforms, estimations for the time periods the genders remain single etc.

I know what I am contending with and I know it is beyond your understanding.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. You aren't able to date because there are too many men/ too much competition? You aren't able to date because you think you would have to resort to women you deem less attractive than yourself or less attractive than you should be dating?
Based on your comment above about someone past there 40's has me thinking. Do people think it is easier or harder to date today than it was say 25 years ago?

 

[masterpoonhunter]

OK another MPH rant/

All this crap based on online dating really has me shaking my head. Dating is dating. If you want to meet a woman, walk up to her and say Hi. Yeah I know, today you have to be online somewhere but after you have gotten a conversation going, meet her. Coffee, a walk, whatever, but if you don't physically meet, why even bother?

There will always be the beautiful people and the less than beautiful people. There is always chemistry and lack of it and there will always be those you 'jive' with and those you don't. Both men and women, waiting for what they think is perfect means there will be no jiving, no friendship, no relationship and so on. All this back and forth arguing about sexual market value, sexual currency, who is in and who is out based on age - for fucks sake folks. Yes, this is a forum for discussion and all kinds of opinions will be presented. Well mine is that of a man in my 60's, reasonably good looking, fit enough, have enough money to not worry about it and am confident enough that if a 'not interested' comes back that is ok. I am always looking for a final relationship but am not going to turn down spending time with a woman who may not be my perfect 10, and I will enjoy the relationship in whatever shape that is in. I have done it enough in my life to know the pluses and minuses. (just don't up and get married ... without one hell of a lot of soul searching)

So lets get back to those who say women in their 40's etc who are doing fine on their own are not worth chasing. Are you really serious? Maybe you are one of the young bucks and have very specific banging targets. Great. But don't project that out there onto every one else. I can state unequivocally you are leaving some very fine potentials for those of us who are not putting everyone on some arbitrary curve. And guys, there is some outstanding sex out there for you.

As for Victoria, my first visit was in late '79 and I was astounded at what I perceived was a woman to guy ratio that had me tingling. Every visit back as I crossed the decades had me thinking more or less the same thing. Anyway, that's my 2bits on this topic - take it in whatever way you wish.

/end rant

 

[Futurebillionaire]

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. You aren't able to date because there are too many men/ too much competition? You aren't able to date because you think you would have to resort to women you deem less attractive than yourself or less attractive than you should be dating?
Based on your comment above about someone past there 40's has me thinking. Do people think it is easier or harder to date today than it was say 25 years ago?

It has gotten harder not easier. Despite greater connectivity with the wider world the threshold one is now required to reach in order to be considered relationship material has risen substantially

I could ramble on and state my research on multiple observed phenomena but I will instead give u the most poignant example I can

In observing women who exhibit polyamorous tendencies and women who do not mind polygamous arrangements, what kinds of men do u see? Given that they are receiving endless validation and given that they can fuck pretty much whoever they want, what sorts of men do u think these women are associating with in their sexual escapades? They want a tall handsome rich/stable hunk to validate them not an average joe. 80/20 or 90/10 ..

None of this is being stated to insult or berate them. Their biology and their expectations are simply incongruent with ours. It is the consequence of a connected world

It is my full expectation that in the coming decades, anywhere between the very broad ranges of 20-70% of men will become completely invisible to most women. Right now I am in the process of identifying these minimum looks and income thresholds through the data I collect as well as data collected through my daily interactions and observations

The State will continue to support women in whatever path they choose, for that is it's nature. They could all go to sperm banks for their future progeny who knows lol. It sounds completely insane (and it is relatively unlikely) but it is not out of the realm of possibility. Uncontacted Tribes already exist where the men serve the chief and the women, whilst not getting much benefit from the tribe as a whole

I suspect that if the number of single men reach a certain level , societal destabilization will occur. Still trying to figure out what that number is ..