Scheerly Homophobic

[clu]

As for my "true colours", I'm more of a socialist than anything else so I would vote NDP if I thought it would actually contribute to something - but it won't because they don't have a snowballs chance in hell of holding power, Federally at least.

And they never will get anywhere with that attitude. Before they can win they have to gain momentum. Every time there's an uptick in support for them, it encourages more people to get on board, and is a wake up call for their opposition. Play the long game.

I'm probably going to vote for them even though they're left of my usual tastes on fiscal matters, just to send a message that (a) the Liberals need to fix their house and get some integrity and (b) the Conservatives are still too abhorrent to get my support as some sort of consolation prize.

 

[clu]

I have had gay friends since the 70s and I have seen first hand what it is like for them. There are a lot more homophobic jerks than you realise.
Even a board as seemingly open minded as this has its share of haters.
Scheer knows that anti gay rhetoric will appeal to a lot of voters.

Oh, I realise. It's just that I was thinking that even those on board with his message should think it was a poor presentation of any argument. If he was talking about highway repair with that kind of presentation I'd still be wondering how he got the job.

 

[JimDandy]

Why is it such a big fucking deal if he shows up at a parade.

You implied in the post that I quoted that Scheer had evolved. Going to a gay pride event would indicate at least a minimum amount of evolution. Saying that his speech no longer reflects his current view would be another way. He had the opportunity to do so in a recent interview but was unwilling to do so. The most he was able to say was that he would not try to change the current laws, which is very different from saying that he is now ok with gay marrriage.

I hve a sister thart works for the Catholic Church ( a paid position ) and she has no problem with gay marriage. Scheer is behind the times and HAS NOT evolved.

So I ask you again, HOW HAS SCHEER SHOWN THAT HE HAS ACTUALLY EVOLVED in regards to his atitude toward gay marriage ???

JD

 

[JimDandy]

I love how threads like these expose the true colours of some of our fellow posters. And to some degree help explain their day-to-day posting history. Positively illuminating.

I totally agree!

JD

 

[Gardener]

Liberals are the masters of "whataboutism." There still blaming everything on Harper.

I have no problem with criticism of JT, but the last time I checked this thread is about Andrew Scheer’s homophobic tendencies. You want to criticize JT, start another thread.

 

[overdone]

But has Scheer evolved ??? Let's see if he shows up at the upcoming gay prride parade. How muh you bet that he will be " too busy to attend ". Has he ever shown up for even one gay pride event ???

JD

and like the NDP hack on the CBC said

who cares, cause if you look at the politicization of the events, they've become a joke

sure Mr Socks shows up, so does the guy no one knows, May, when she's not drunk

but what do they do after, mainly the socks guy, his party, the others

nothing, Turdeau has done nothing of note

same on the Native file

he's had 4yrs and done the bare min, superficial talking points

at least the Calgary organizers have some cred, they've banned all political parties, taking the politics out of it

cause let's face it, the politicians just use them as props

which is what this is about

when he starts saying he's going to change the laws, then you might have something to point to

but just like abortion, he's already said he won't touch it, same with this subject

so yeah, he has evolved, just like the others who opposed it

there's a difference to accepting and tolerating

if you think all Liberals are accepting too, you clearly haven't listened to some of them talk

Mr Socks kicked them out, remember, well at least told them to shut up

they didn't disappear completely

I have no problem with criticism of JT, but the last time I checked this thread is about Andrew Scheer’s homophobic tendencies. You want to criticize JT, start another thread.

why?

what do you think this is all about?

it was put out there by Goodale, a dinosaur, from the first Trudeau era, who should have been put down long ago, ie not re-elected

he did it, to deflect attention away from his party's dependence on it's only real asset, Trudeau's supposed brand, his name, which if anyone who is awake with an IQ above their age, would see that it was all bullshit

this is about the ethics report on him breaking the ethics law, twice now

Goodale, was against same sex marriage btw

he has no room to talk

no one does who was against it

I couldn't care who marries who, as long as they are over 18, aren't forced into it

this is 15 yrs old

it reeks of desperation by the Liberals

it's as much about the Liberals as it is about Sheer, if not more

remember the guy who said they would do things differently? lol


and I don't actually like Sheer, I think he's weak, Lisa Raitt would have been a far better leader than him or Max

but they along with anyone are better than Trudeau the corrupt

 

[Vpete]

*tried hard to not comment in thread*

Damn.

See disliking Scheer is not an endorsement of Trudeau or Singh or May or Bernier. It’s a statement on him. I’m utterly disappointed in Trudeau and have mainly been a conservative most of my life but have voted liberal in the past. The problem is the word ‘progressive’ there’s nothing progressive about conservatives anymore. Fiscally they have been dead policy wonks since the death of Flaherty- brilliant guy.

Canadians are going to vote not based on whether Trudeau is competent they are going to vote on whether the Cons vision of Canada is palatable to their beliefs. Hatred is hatred and the cons spew hate in so many ways. They can’t control their anger now what happens if they get power?

 

[marsvolta]

sheer is the way he is because thats the way he needs to be... pandering to yahoos who are all "i just want to be left alone" except "no way we're letting fags start walkin around" irrespective of the fact they may never even see one. that pho libertarian-ism. its part of the conservative brand. its the only way they can get most people to vote for them aside from the fiscal conservatives who are taxed at source and still believe that the PCs are going to help them out in any way. good luck with that! more tax breaks for the business class! i'm part of the business class. my taxes are already ridiculously cheap. there's not way our country could afford working people to pay so little tax.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You implied in the post that I quoted that Scheer had evolved.

I think you have me confused with someone else. Perhaps Overdone?
I never stated nor implied Scheer had evolved.
I said I don't think him not attending a Pride parade is as big a deal as some would like to make it.
I think that with everything going on in this country right now, which leader goes to a parade is the least of my concerns.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I'm out. I've said my piece and respect all your opinions even if i disagree with them. That's another cornerstone of our democracy.
“I don’t agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
(Although many attribute this quote to Voltaire, he never really said it. It comes from a biography on Voltaire written in 1906 by Evelyn Beatrice Hall. it was intended more as a representation on his thoughts on Free Speech but not a verbatim quote.)

Cheers
J

 

[Crookedmember]

I do think Scheer genuinely is homophobic. I'm not sure if he was born that way, or if it was a lifestyle choice for him.

I also think his handlers know he is between a rock and a hard place. He can't placate normal Canadians without riling his dim-witted base.

He's not a brave boy, and sadly he's afraid of setting the right example for these ill-educated buffoons.

It's not exactly the "Progressive" Conservative Party anymore.

I have a feeling we'll be seeing more clips of "the best of Scheer" during the campaign.

 

[ReluctantPooner]

I do think Scheer genuinely is homophobic. I'm not sure if he was born that way, or if it was a lifestyle choice for him.

I also think his handlers know he is between a rock and a hard place. He can't placate normal Canadians without riling his dim-witted base.

He's not a brave boy, and sadly he's afraid of setting the right example for these ill-educated buffoons.

It's not exactly the "Progressive" Conservative Party anymore.

I have a feeling we'll be seeing more clips of "the best of Scheer" during the campaign.

They haven't been Progressive since they merged with the Canadian Alliance party.

 

[storm rider]

As a voter going into a soon to be Federal election.With the Lieberals mired in scandal right now.The only thing I can read into this can of worms is a Media "member" who got a piece of the 600 million tax payer trough that the Lieberals FED to the media went with this story.Yeah yeah blah blah we have run out of stuff on Stephen Harper so lets resort to Andrew Sheer 14 years ago.This is nothing more than a hatchet job.

SR

 

[JimDandy]

Now, Harper was actually the right leader for this party. He's been rather aptly described as a guy with little personality but one hell of a politician. Harper was an iron fisted SOB who could grab the reigns and keep all the peons in line in that weird ass conglomeration. No one stepped out of line without getting their ass handed to them, no one spoke out of turn without getting their pecker smacked, and everyone towed the party line - or else. He was, and is, certainly a humourless prick - but he could control the party.

I find it ironic that Trudeau got into trouble for being un-Harper like by not being "iron fisted" and giving important portfolios to people that turned out not to be team players and therefore did not play ball. Harper would never have allowed the 2 ladies in quiestion to have such important portfolios since he would have realized he could not muzzle them. So essentially Trudeau has gotten into trouble for not being the iron fisted SOB described in the quoted text.

JD

 

[PierreCoeur]

I have been an eligible voter for 47 years now; I have seen Governments come and go. I have voted Conservative, NDP, Liberal and Green. I tend to vote for political policies in the middle because it seems to reflect what we need. Too left or too right is devisive. One thing that I learned is that the following quotation is very reflective of what always happens. "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
What I also learned over the years is that the Conservatives almost always are the most corrupt, once given power. Harper and Mulroney are clear examples.

The best Governments are minority governments and I clearly hope that whichever party is elected this time around is a minority one.

 

[Forum mod]

A few intolerant/homophobic posts have been deleted. If you are posting this kind of stuff, you are looking at a ban.

 

[Bobby1968]

The leader’s debate will feature 5 women moderators - 4 of them from Ontario - zero men from anywhere. Politics in Canada has devolved to a kind of political Chippendales. If you prefer colourful socks on an urbane metrosexual - Justin Trudeau. Colourful socks and tall, dark and handsome with an Asian flavour - Jagmeet Singh. More traditional ladies favour Andrew Scheer with his dad body and Catholic morality. The irony vis-a-vis Canadian feminism is a competent woman has near zero chance to become PM. A competent man who can’t make the ladies wet has zero chance. Political leaders, parties and elections aside, this country is adrift and devoid of serious leadership. One should have no illusions about this.

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/4w573g/i-want-to-bone-justin-trudeau

 

[ReluctantPooner]

I voted for the Harper Conservatives in the 3 or 4 elections that they won, and voted Liberal in the last one. I supported the Conservatives because the previous Liberal government needed to take a licking, and take some time to clean house. There was a ton of corruption going on, and it was unfortunate as they had balanced the budget. Although I knew Harper was religious and very pro business (pro business isn't a bad thing if you balance it with other priorities), I felt he wouldn't let his beliefs come into play as he is smart enough to know opening up things such as abortion or gay marriage would lead to losing the next election. I also consider myself to be a fiscal conservative. What made me lose faith in them was the muzzling of government scientists and when they started defunding and ultimately destroying (as opposed to archiving) various research projects. This showed me that at best they were pro business at any cost, or at worst are the type to believe God won't let us ruin the planet or don't care if we ruin it as they will go to heaven anyways. I see Scheer as being far more right than Harper, and I don't trust him to do anything concrete to address environmental issues.
I cannot support any government that won't take concrete steps to protect the environment. I am not the type to say we should shut down the tar sands immediately, but we need to start taking serious steps to moving to cleaner energy. We need to stop destroying habitat, and we need to start restoring things that have been lost or seriously depeleted.
This isn't about saving pretty trees or cute animals - it is about having clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, safe food to eat, and a food supply that can feed us. Bee populations are plummeting. If bee's go, we will starve, yet we still use pesticides that are toxic to bee's. It's fucked up.
So what do I do? Vote Green? Elizabeth May is an idiot. They other day it came out that she said something that pretty much guaranteed I will never vote Green federally anytime in the near future. She was talking about gun violence, gangs, and all of the illegal guns being smuggled across the border. Her solution? Ban handguns. There is zero co-relation. Banning law abiding Canadians from purchasing legal hand guns won't do fuck all about illegal guns being smuggled over the border. Even many police chiefs are saying that banning legal handguns won't do anything to stop the gang violence.
As you can tell, my political leanings vary widely from topic to topic. A big part of me wishes someone like Peter McKay would go for the leadership of the Conservatives!
I thought Justin might be good, but our deficits got way too out of control, and how he handled the SNC Lavalin affair, especially Jody Wilson-Raybould, was pathetic.
As of today, I am undecided. I agree with those that have stated that a minority government would be a good thing - at least for this next election and term.

 

[lukom]

I feel most conservative voters probably have no issue with these views, and it's not that most of Canadian voters voted in conservatives for a decade under Harper, it's that most people didn't vote in many instances and enabled a Conservative win. Problem is Trudeau is full of shit and hasn't really improved circumstances for anyone. In many ways Trudeau has united the left and right and against the Liberals.

 

[apl16]

It does smack of just a little desperation, that the Liberals lead by Ralphy Goodale decided to dredge up a video from 2005 to smear Scheer. Hell, I don't like Scheer in the least bit - it's that creepy grin... But, I sure as shit don't like Trudeau either - the guy has done some seriously stupid shit over the last four years, most of which has lead to the current moment at which party insiders have realized they are fucked. I really cannot stand all the bullshit pandering that Trudeau has engaged in - least of all the "we should be progressive and ban all guns, because if it saves just one life..." - fuck off. How about doing the thing every half witted 'Nuck knows would work, get the cops to go kick in doors in the inner city shit holes and lock up the gang banger hood rats.

The only way for the Liberals to retain power Federally is to drop kick JT, FAST! Rumour has it that the insiders have been begging Mark Carney, previously of the Bank of Canada (and now at the Bank of England) to step in as the party leader. Now, I'd much rather not see more years of Conservative rule in Canada - especially with a very possible depression coming, but I may just be pushed to vote Conservative regardless as a protest against the bungling that has been the last four years (oh, and my local Liberal MP is a complete and utter tit - which is the same that could be said for the previous Conservative incumbent whom they unseated).

As for my "true colours", I'm more of a socialist than anything else so I would vote NDP if I thought it would actually contribute to something - but it won't because they don't have a snowballs chance in hell of holding power, Federally at least. And while I can respect that Jag seems like a decent guy, and he did win the leadership contest - I don't see him as the leader who can reinvigorate the party. Layton has to be put to rest, and the realization that the only way the NDP ended up as the official opposition was because Harper put them there by a concerted campaign to disenfranchise Liberal voters and swing the 2011 election, needs to be hammered home. Frankly, the only way for the NDP to gain support in my books, is drop the wishy-washy "NEW" branding entirely, and return to the days of the CCF - they'd have a much better shot at things if they went back to their roots.

As for my views on marriage, sexuality, etc. "There's no place for the state, in the bedrooms of the nation." seems to sum things up as well as any.

Very good post!....but allowing the fascists back into power is the biggest issue. Harper's version of the Patriot act completely took all of our civil rights away. Most people don't realize that you can be detained for no reason at any time.