NRA finally comes out with this. Sadly I'm not suprised.

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Just saw this on line.
Aside from all the goof balls out there saying we should be arming the teachers, the NRA comes out with this.:doh:
http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/nra-calls-for-armed-police-officers-in-all-us-schools

Sure, lets just take the already underfunded public school system in the US, and fire some more teachers so we can pay for armed police in all schools. The only way I would support such a plan would be to put a $5000.00 tax on the purchase of any gun and the money would go to fund this. Wonder how the NRA would like this?

Maybe Chris Rock's solution is best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrFVtmRXrw

Cheers

PS, My friend's baby girl's funeral is tomorrow. :(
 

bcneil

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In the other thread this was my prediction.
Fire some of those useless teachers, hire armed guards.
We don't want those evil teachers, telling the kids about evolution or science anyways, jesus hates that sort of shit.
 

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NRA can fund it from their dues.

That still leaves day care centres without guns as well as hospitals, theatres, most office buildings, buses, trains, taxis, street corners, highways... Maybe they should have emergency gun racks in all buildings. Just break glass in case of emergency.
 

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i provided my teachers with plenty of moments where they would have gladly shot me if they had been afforded a weapon.
 

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As he was talking about how security guards should be at schools, just like how there are SS with the president.

I was thinking that he should have a bodyguard before someone shoots him lol
 

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Got to love his idea that the thousands of retired and qualified police/ military etc. that are out there could be utilized to provide school security. Which leads to a story in today's Province. A 25 year old Marine Reserve Sergeant, with experience in Iraq and Afghanistan shows up to voluntarily protect a local elementary school. That was Tuesday, by Wednesday he gone. He was a former private discharged in 2008, never deployed, didn't even complete a year in the service and was not a reservist. Based on the performance on some of these guys that actually were deployed, I sure as hell wouldn't want them guarding my kids or any school they attended.
 

bcneil

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Ha ha ha ha he was blaming violent games."guns don't kill people,video games kill people"

They lose all their credibility on everything with silly comments like that. Its their own little world.
Young Japanese men play more video games that any other culture.
Yet these godless heathens have an extremely low gun murder rate.

In general the NRA very dishonestly uses statistics.
 

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Even so, it will take years to get guns off the streets and out of homes. Many people will hide them in their homes for years (Just from the attitudse expressed by some on this board). Criminals will continue to hold and stockpile them. It will take a long time to change the direction of American society. Even the American style government has a lot of inertia, just imagine trying to get all three branches on the same page on the same day.
 

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I'll believe it when I see it. Obama will do nothing about it...
obama can do nothing about it... it requires a constitutional amendment

Oh he will.... Change is coming my man!
normally i agree with you hunka, but i don't think this one would pass

Wow. What a fantastic ad. Thanks for sharing hunka. And i agree. I think Obama IS going to do something about it. Wackjob NRAs aside, I think public sentiment has finally turned on this issue. Sad it took 20 five and six year old souls to get us there but I think, finally, decades overdue, we are there.

Great country, great people. They are too good for the wild west. Bring it on Barack!
The [US] Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. None of the 27 amendments to the Constitution have been proposed by constitutional convention. The Congress proposes an amendment in the form of a joint resolution. Since the President does not have a constitutional role in the amendment process, the joint resolution does not go to the White House for signature or approval. The original document is forwarded directly to NARA's Office of the Federal Register (OFR) for processing and publication. The OFR adds legislative history notes to the joint resolution and publishes it in slip law format. The OFR also assembles an information package for the States which includes formal "red-line" copies of the joint resolution, copies of the joint resolution in slip law format, and the statutory procedure for ratification under 1 U.S.C. 106b.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/
 
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Yes, it is very sad that this happened, but it has been happening for years and no concrete steps have been taken to stop it and I don't think any will take place. There were 17 mass killings in then U.S. this year, one today. There will be a lot of talk about it in the media/social media and then something else will come along to become the new topic of discussion. As for the NRA, I think they are trying to deflect the upcoming out cry for gun control by offering what they feel is a solution to the problem. The whole "Guns don't kill people..." argument is crap. If someone walked into a building with a bat, how many people would die? Certainly not the numbers we hear about.
 

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20 Kids killed is not enough to shock the USA anymore. Its not, we still have debates to whether the gun AR-15 used in the last 3 massacres should or not be sold to ordinary citizens. Think about that, my grandma could buy one if she wanted to and unload on the whole bingo hall. In any other country the government would ban it period end of discussion.
Its going to be ugly man for a long time here, the NRA decided to piss on us today.
 

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Yes, they need armed guards at schools.

They should also have a warden at each school to coordinate the armed guards.

Also add in concrete walls around the school, with electric fence at the top, towers at each corner with lookout turrets, and secure entry gates.

So to protect children, we already have a model of how to do it at our schools ---- prisons!!!

And in the USA, prisons are run by companies and they are very profitable. It's not going to cost tax payers a damn thing. Protecting children can be a profit center. A real WIN-WIN situation!
 

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Yes, they need armed guards at schools.

They should also have a warden at each school to coordinate the armed guards.

Also add in concrete walls around the school, with electric fence at the top, towers at each corner with lookout turrets, and secure entry gates.

So to protect children, we already have a model of how to do it at our schools ---- prisons!!!

And in the USA, prisons are run by companies and they are very profitable. It's not going to cost tax payers a damn thing. Protecting children can be a profit center. A real WIN-WIN situation!
Since they are already there, I think they should also check each child for marijuana as they enter the school. A quick groping of each child will do.
 

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It's not like they're not already doing it....


Monday 9 January 2012

The US schools with their own police

More and more US schools have police patrolling the corridors. Pupils are being arrested for throwing paper planes and failing to pick up crumbs from the canteen floor. Why is the state criminalising normal childhood behaviour?

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The charge on the police docket was "disrupting class". But that's not how 12-year-old Sarah Bustamantes saw her arrest for spraying two bursts of perfume on her neck in class because other children were bullying her with taunts of "you smell".

"I'm weird. Other kids don't like me," said Sarah, who has been diagnosed with attention-deficit and bipolar disorders and who is conscious of being overweight. "They were saying a lot of rude things to me. Just picking on me. So I sprayed myself with perfume. Then they said: 'Put that away, that's the most terrible smell I've ever smelled.' Then the teacher called the police."

The policeman didn't have far to come. He patrols the corridors of Sarah's school, Fulmore Middle in Austin, Texas. Like hundreds of schools in the state, and across large parts of the rest of the US, Fulmore Middle has its own police force with officers in uniform who carry guns to keep order in the canteens, playgrounds and lessons. Sarah was taken from class, charged with a criminal misdemeanour and ordered to appear in court.

Each day, hundreds of schoolchildren appear before courts in Texas charged with offences such as swearing, misbehaving on the school bus or getting in to a punch-up in the playground. Children have been arrested for possessing cigarettes, wearing "inappropriate" clothes and being late for school.

In 2010, the police gave close to 300,000 "Class C misdemeanour" tickets to children as young as six in Texas for offences in and out of school, which result in fines, community service and even prison time. What was once handled with a telling-off by the teacher or a call to parents can now result in arrest and a record that may cost a young person a place in college or a job years later.

"We've taken childhood behaviour and made it criminal," said Kady Simpkins, a lawyer who represented Sarah Bustamantes. "They're kids. Disruption of class? Every time I look at this law I think: good lord, I never would have made it in school in the US. I grew up in Australia and it's just rowdy there. I don't know how these kids do it, how they go to school every day without breaking these laws."

The British government is studying the American experience in dealing with gangs, unruly young people and juvenile justice in the wake of the riots in England. The UK's justice minister, Crispin Blunt, visited Texas last September to study juvenile courts and prisons, youth gangs and police outreach in schools, among other things. But his trip came at a time when Texas is reassessing its own reaction to fears of feral youth that critics say has created a "school-to-prison pipeline". The Texas supreme court chief justice, Wallace Jefferson, has warned that "charging kids with criminal offences for low-level behavioural issues" is helping to drive many of them to a life in jail.

The Texas state legislature last year changed the law to stop the issuing of tickets to 10- and 11-year-olds over classroom behaviour. (In the state, the age of criminal responsibility is 10.) But a broader bill to end the practice entirely –championed by a state senator, John Whitmire, who called the system "ridiculous" – failed to pass and cannot be considered again for another two years.

Even the federal government has waded in, with the US attorney general, Eric Holder, saying of criminal citations being used to maintain discipline in schools: "That is something that clearly has to stop."

As almost every parent of a child drawn in to the legal labyrinth by school policing observes, it wasn't this way when they were young.

The emphasis on law and order in the classroom parallels more than two decades of rapid expansion of all areas of policingn Texas in response to misplaced fears across the US in the 1980s of a looming crime wave stoked by the crack epidemic, alarmist academic studies and the media.

"It's very much tied in with some of the hyperbole around the rise in juvenile crime rate that took place back in the early 90s," said Deborah Fowler, deputy director of Texas Appleseed, an Austin legal rights group, and principal author of a 200-page study of the consequences of policing in Texas schools. "They ushered in tough, punitive policies. It was all part of the tough-on-crime movement."

Part of that included the passing of laws that made the US the only developed country to lock up children as young as 13 for life without the possibility of parole, often as accomplices to murders committed by an adult.

As the hand of law and order grew heavier across Texas, its grip also tightened on schools. The number of school districts in the state with police departments has risen more than 20-fold over the past two decades.

"Zero tolerance started out as a term that was used in combating drug trafficking and it became a term that is now used widely when you're referring to some very punitive school discipline measures. Those two policy worlds became conflated with each other," said Fowler.

In the midst of that drive came the 1999 Columbine high school massacre, in which two students in Colorado shot dead 12 other pupils and a teacher before killing themselves. Parents clamoured for someone to protect their children and police in schools seemed to many to be the answer.

But most schools do not face any serious threat of violence and police officers patrolling the corridors and canteens are largely confronted with little more than boisterous or disrespectful childhood behaviour.

"What we see often is a real overreaction to behaviour that others would generally think of as just childish misbehaviour rather than law breaking," said Fowler. Tickets are most frequently issued by school police for "disruption of class", which can mean causing problems during lessons but is also defined as disruptive behaviour within 500ft (150 metres) of school property such as shouting, which is classified as "making an unreasonable noise".


Rest of the story:

http://guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/09/texas-police-schools


Pure Madness. :eek:
 

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I wouldn't count on any early changes to US federal laws on guns. While Obama was re-elected, so was John Boehner and the Republican majority in the House of Representatives. The NRA and some similar groups are very well financed and very experienced political lobbyists with tremendous access to legislators.
 

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Why Is the NRA So Powerful?
How the gun lobby leverages modest resources into outsized influence.


The House of Representatives voted on Thursday to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, for withholding documents pertaining to the “Fast and Furious” program that allegedly put guns in the hands of Mexican drug gangs. Seventeen Democrats voted for the measure after the National Rifle Association indicated future endorsements could ride on the vote. The NRA is considered by many the most powerful lobbying group in te country, despite relatively modest financial resources and just 4 million members. What makes the NRA so influential?



Rest of Story here:

http://slate.com/articles/news_and_...ra_swing_the_votes_of_so_many_democrats_.html
 
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